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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The funeral is not private. Anyone can go to anyone's funeral if it is held in a publicly open funeral.

    It is the one backfire of this Supreme Court decision.
    except that is not always true.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    except that is not always true.
    If it is a publicly open cemetery, anyone can go to the funeral. That is always true.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Separation of church and state. Freedom of religion does not trump freedom of speech in this country. People are free to practice their religion in public, and people are free to protest right next to them if they wish.
    Why are we referring to seperation of church and state?? It is irrelavent in the point I am making as the federal government is not showing unilateral favoratism of a religion. Freedom of Religion = Freedom of speech one does not outrank the other in terms of importance nor does one trump the other, they are applied to different circumstances.

    Also not all CEMETARIES are public domain, in fact MANY CEMETARIES are privately owned by developers and those developers have the RIGHT to protect their clients privacy from invasion by people (like westboro) or otherwise. A funeral is a private function, of a private nature, with very tender emotions involved, UNLESS it is DECLARED to be OPEN to the public it is exhempt from freedom of speech provisions.

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    Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Why are we referring to seperation of church and state?? It is irrelavent in the point I am making as the federal government is not showing unilateral favoratism of a religion. Freedom of Religion = Freedom of speech one does not outrank the other in terms of importance nor does one trump the other, they are applied to different circumstances.

    Also not all CEMETARIES are public domain, in fact MANY CEMETARIES are privately owned by developers and those developers have the RIGHT to protect their clients privacy from invasion by people (like westboro) or otherwise. A funeral is a private function, of a private nature, with very tender emotions involved, UNLESS it is DECLARED to be OPEN to the public it is exhempt from freedom of speech provisions.
    Protesters at a funeral are not prohibiting the funeral attendees from practicing their religion.

    I'm not advocating protesting at a funeral, I detest it, but this will be an issue, and I wouldn't doubt that the buffer zones at funerals are banned, in light of this SC decision.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Protesters at a funeral are not prohibiting the funeral attendees from practicing their religion.
    They are DISTURBING THE PEACE of a quiet event, breaking the focus of the practicioners and thereby keeping them from fully practicing the tennants of their religious faith. Also if Freedom of Religion were EXCLUSIVE to the Congress then would it be fair for an OWNER of a PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENT to not allow admittance to: Jews and Muslims? What say you?

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    Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    They are DISTURBING THE PEACE of a quiet event, breaking the focus of the practicioners and thereby keeping them from fully practicing the tennants of their religious faith. Also if Freedom of Religion were EXCLUSIVE to the Congress then would it be fair for an OWNER of a PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENT to not allow admittance to: Jews and Muslims? What say you?
    You can also say they are disturbing the peace at an abortion clinic, and a lot of abortion clinics are privately owned. Standing up and holding a sign is not disturbing the peace.

    I don't know what your second sentence means? :dunno: Freedom of religion is not exclusive to Congress, and who said anything about banning Jews and Muslims from anything? :dunno:
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    In my opinion this is the correct decision. Protestors have the right to peacefully assemble on public spaces even if its over a really touchy subject such as abortion. There should be no "buffer zones" where people are not allowed to practice their right to free speech inside that "buffer zone". [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I agree, but if the protesters try to block the door or block someone from entering the clinic, that is when free speech ends and action takes over. Action is not speech, although it seems the SCOTUS thinks it is with some of its past rulings.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You can also say they are disturbing the peace at an abortion clinic. Standing up and holding a sign is not disturbing the peace.

    I don't know what your second sentence means? :dunno:
    It means. Based on what you have said so far that say the owner of a BAR could deny entry to people based on their faith. ie. No Muslims and Jews in my bar. The 1st amendment applies not only to laws congress passes, but also to areas that generally service the public even IF they are privately owned. There is plenty of precedent to back up what I am saying too.


    Also people getting an abortion aren't doing anything significant or special or of great meaning.... they are just getting their plumming drained. A funeral is a special ceremony and has certain elevated rights and statuses associated with it that abortion clinics do not.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    It means. Based on what you have said so far that say the owner of a BAR could deny entry to people based on their faith. ie. No Muslims and Jews in my bar. The 1st amendment applies not only to laws congress passes, but also to areas that generally service the public even IF they are privately owned. There is plenty of precedent to back up what I am saying too.
    I didn't say anything about banning anyone from anything. I merely said that in light of this SCOTUS decision, they can't constitutionally allow buffer zones at publicly held funerals. You're the one suggesting that people should be denied entry to a public event, not me.


    Also people getting an abortion aren't doing anything significant or special or of great meaning.... they are just getting their plumming drained. A funeral is a special ceremony and has certain elevated rights and statuses associated with it that abortion clinics do not.
    That's your opinion. Many people view getting an abortion as emotionally wrenching event and don't need the extra distress of people protesting them when they enter the privately owned clinic on privately owned land.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Buffer Zones For Abortion Clinic Protests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I didn't say anything about banning anyone from anything. I merely said that in light of this SCOTUS decision, they can't constitutionally allow buffer zones at publicly held funerals. You're the one suggesting that people should be denied entry to a public event, not me.




    That's your opinion. Many people view getting an abortion as emotionally wrenching event and don't need the extra distress of people protesting them when they enter the privately owned clinic on privately owned land.
    While I can't say you don't have a few good points here and there I would say that it is Waaaayyyy underhanded to apply this law as is in the case of abortion clinics to funerals... its a bit appaling and void of all moral reasoning.

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