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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It's a shame that people don't think that content creators have the right to control how their content is distributed. Yes, the content is over air but the content providers have agreed to have it distributed this way. If the service didn't charge, then I think think they would have been on better standing.
    The viewers pay for the content by watching the commercials. It is legal for viewers to have a DVR and skip the commercials. Aereo only offers convenience and the ability to watch away from home.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That may be the theory but I doubt that is the actual practice. It would be stupid to put 10K antennae and 10K receivers in NYC rather than use a few antennae and a few receivers tuned to each of 50 (or so) desired NYC broadcast channels - the same 50 digital signals can then be streamed to (or recorded for) each of 10K users.
    From what I have read, they actually do have an antennae and DVR for each customer in order to comply with the law.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Aereo does not strip out the advertisements that are included. If viewers don't use the DVR function to skip commercials, they are helping the broadcasters improve their ratings.
    Assuming that they are in the advertiser's viewing area yes, but many ads are local and many Aereo users are not. If they were local then they could access these free broadcast signals w/o paying any Aereo fees at all.
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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Assuming that they are in the advertiser's viewing area yes, but many ads are local and many Aereo users are not. If they were local then they could access these free broadcast signals w/o paying any Aereo fees at all.
    I believe Aereo will only provide an antennae near where you live. In areas of cities with a lot of tall buildings receiving all the available signals over the air may not be possible without cable, Aereo, satellite dish or a master antennae on top of your building. I believe that is why Aereo launched in NYC.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It's a shame that people don't think that content creators have the right to control how their content is distributed. Yes, the content is over air but the content providers have agreed to have it distributed this way. If the service didn't charge, then I think think they would have been on better standing.

    Kind of misstatement there. Content Creators had and have total control of how their product was destributed. Creators created content. They sold it to sell it to one of two major market paradigms: (a) major networks that broadcast it to the public over the air (OTA) using advertisers as the revenue source to fund operations, or (b) cable/satellite/fiber-optic distributors that charge the consumer directly for context.


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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It's a shame that people don't think that content creators have the right to control how their content is distributed. Yes, the content is over air but the content providers have agreed to have it distributed this way. If the service didn't charge, then I think think they would have been on better standing.

    So is it illegal for my to build my own HTPC and watch content at my own schedule or distribute it to my mobile devices (such as smartphones or laptops) in my home our outside my home?

    How about "Slingbox"? The device allows you to take OTA content from an antenna or a cable box output and make it available to your devices outside the home to your mobile devices. Neighbor down the street has one, he's in the Air Force and while deployed overseas they put a second cable box in the back bedroom. Using Slingbox he could distribute his home cable service to watch. With the IR blaster he could even set his own channels to watch.


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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That may be the theory but I doubt that is the actual practice. It would be stupid to put 10K antennae and 10K receivers in NYC rather than use a few antennae and a few receivers tuned to each of 50 (or so) desired NYC broadcast channels - the same 50 digital signals can then be streamed to (or recorded for) each of 10K users.

    You can doubt it all you want. The founder of the company is an engineer and designed the system using thousands and thousands of dime sized antennas in an array. When a consumer accessed their account they were assigned one - and only one - antenna to view content.

    The banks of antennas were scalable, subscriptions grow - add another bank of antennas. The rest of the playback (network storage and input/output) was also scaled.

    They DID NOT record one copy of the OTA broadcast and retransmit it to different customers. Each individual customer was watching their own individual feed from an individual antenna assigned to them.

    You might want to do some research on the company and the legal documents that explain how it worked. Here is a good repository of background information -->> American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. v. Aereo, Inc. : SCOTUSblog



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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    From what I have read, they actually do have an antennae and DVR for each customer in order to comply with the law.
    To be honest the "DVR" is a virtual DVR - server and hard-drive farms, the consumer is leasing space not an individual DVR.



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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Assuming that they are in the advertiser's viewing area yes, but many ads are local and many Aereo users are not. If they were local then they could access these free broadcast signals w/o paying any Aereo fees at all.

    Again false, as per the legal pref's - Aereo would use network location information to determine if you were withing the broadcasters geographic area. If you were outside the area the stream would not be available.

    Let's say you are a New York City customer, while in the NYC area you can access your account and watch content on the equipment you have leased. However if you travel to Washington DC for business when you access your account you would be notified that you were out of the viewing area and that the service was not available.

    Services were only available inside the geographic broadcast area based on FCC reception maps.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    They wouldn't do that, they still make money with their broadcasts.
    What would stop them? fear?

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