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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I agree, but is it an unfair one? Should Aereo be able to make money off content they didn't produce?

    It's a tough one and why I see both sides.
    Every manufacturer of over the air broadcast antenna's is making money off content they didn't produce.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    By TV companies do you mean FOX, NBC, CBS, etc? Or are you meaning the cable companies like Time Warner (which I guess IS NBC...gotta love how that works), Verizon, Cox, etc?



    Yes, they're "free" to the consumer. IE anyone can hook up an antenna and watch over the air content 100% free of charge.



    Except, in general, Aereo's argument is THEY are not broadcasting anything. They're selling you an antenna and a set top box, and giving you access to those things via the internet. You have complete control as to what that Antenna is tuned to and that is the ONLY thing you're recieving. With Cable Companies, you're potentially recieving all channels at all times. This is how something like "The Hopper" can record 6 different television shows on 6 different channels all at the same time. With Aereo, you could only have ONE channel going per antenna you were renting at any given time. You want to record something on a different channel while you're watching something, you'd need to rent another antenna.

    As to expense...well, one, there IS expense on the part of Aereo. They have to pay for the equipment they're renting out to customers, pay for the utility costs for the broadband and electricity to give users access to their rented equipment, pay for the building the equipment is housed in, technicians, etc.
    that is it though they are renting equipment to rebroadcast a signal and not paying for it.

    dish bh etc all have to pay licensing fee's to broadcast those stations. so why does aereo not have to comply?

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

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    Very unfortunate news, and potentially with some significant ramficiations as it relates to cloud computing services. What is interesting from an immediete look....this extremely PRO-Corporation interpritation of the law that benefits the likes of NBC and Fox was endorsed not by Alito, Thomas, and Scalia but by Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Kagan.

    Aereo was offering people hardware that allowed them to better make use of something they are able to recieve for free; but god forbid anything shake up the HORRENDOUS situation we have in this country as it relates to anything concerning the telecoms and media conglomorates
    I'm usually very skeptical of established industries claims in cases like this but I'm confused as to how this isn't a violation of the cable companies rights. Isn't Aereo essentially re-broadcasting their content for profit by coordinating these antenna installations? I'm not sure they are worthy of too much sympathy. Either way I'm not sure why this would have such an impact... who doesn't just stream everything these days?

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    The bottom line is that Aereo sells "free" content produced by others; without that content then they have nothing to sell.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I agree, but is it an unfair one? Should Aereo be able to make money off content they didn't produce?

    It's a tough one and why I see both sides.
    agreed that it's a tough issue. we need to seriously take a look at modernizing the law. unfortunately, if we did modernize it, the legislation would be written by lobbyists, and then the problem would probably get worse.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bottom line is that Aereo sells "free" content produced by others; without that content then they have nothing to sell.
    By this logic those who manufacture and sell over the air antennas need to pay the broadcast companies, because without the "free" content produced by others they would have nothing to sell.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Here's a question in terms of questioning where the differences lie.

    Scenario 1.

    You buy and set up an antenna on your house, have a cable card hooked up to your computer so it acts as a DVR, and have your computer able to be accessed via the internet. While you're off staying at your in-laws place for a holiday you use Tablet to access a TV channel coming off your "DVR" that is being pulled down via your antenna feed.

    Scenario 2

    You rent an antenna set up in a warehouse in your viewing area, have it hooked up to a DVR, that is then hooked up to the internet. While you're off staying at your in-laws place for a holiday you use your tablet to access a TV channel coming off your rented DVR that is being pulled down by your rented antenna feed.

    So here's the differences that I can see:

    1. In one situation the items are owned, the other instance the items are rented. Then again, one is able to rent antenna's and computers for ones home so that doesn't really change much. But even if it did...could aereo actually SELL you the hardware, with you entering into a contracto "pay" for the hardware via "$X" monthly charges for X months and suddenly it'd be okay?

    2. The antenna is located in a location other than your home. So does that mean if I put my home antenna up on the townhome I'm attached to because they have better reecption that suddenly it's an illegal broadcast because I'm not physically housing my antenna?

    3. One portion of the internet access is not something I'm paying for. But again this goes up...if my neighbor lets me use his wifi, is that suddenly now an illegal problem?

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    By this logic those who manufacture and sell over the air antennas need to pay the broadcast companies, because without the "free" content produced by others they would have nothing to sell.
    Not at all. Selling hardware is not the same as selling content. Using your bizarre "logic" then selling TV sets, or even eye glasses, is also taking advantage of content produced by others.
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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Selling hardware is not the same as selling content.
    But they're not selling content, they're renting hardware to consumers and giving them access to that hardware.

    Cable companies charge you for the information they deliver AND for the hardware you wnat to get to facilitate that delivery. Even without the cable companies hardware, you're still able to get your channels that you're paying for on every TV in your house by hooking into your cable outlet. And because Cable is broadcasting all the stations, not just providing you with your own antenna, one room could be watching CBS and another one could be watching FOX and one could be watching NBC because the Cable Company is streaming all that data into your house at all times.

    Aereo is only charging you for hardware. Without that hardware there is nothing you can get from them. With that hardware you can only view what you use YOUR rented hardware to see. So if your rented hardware is tuned to NBC that's all you get whether you have 1 viewing device hooked up or 10. Because Aereo is not "broadcasting" network television to you, they're providing you access to an antenna whose singular feed you can see.

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    Re: US Supreme Court rules Aereo's streaming service is illegal under copyright law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But they're not selling content, they're renting hardware to consumers and giving them access to that hardware.

    Cable companies charge you for the information they deliver AND for the hardware you wnat to get to facilitate that delivery. Even without the cable companies hardware, you're still able to get your channels that you're paying for on every TV in your house by hooking into your cable outlet. And because Cable is broadcasting all the stations, not just providing you with your own antenna, one room could be watching CBS and another one could be watching FOX and one could be watching NBC because the Cable Company is streaming all that data into your house at all times.

    Aereo is only charging you for hardware. Without that hardware there is nothing you can get from them. With that hardware you can only view what you use YOUR rented hardware to see. So if your rented hardware is tuned to NBC that's all you get whether you have 1 viewing device hooked up or 10. Because Aereo is not "broadcasting" network television to you, they're providing you access to an antenna whose singular feed you can see.
    Aereo is not renting hardware they are selling a service that consists of retransmitting live and recorded content.

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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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