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    TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘promiscu

    Court documents submitted by one of four Vanderbilt football players accused of raping an unconscious 21-year-old female student painted her as “promiscuous” and a “drinker.”

    Last year, 19-year-old Corey Batey, 20-year-old Brandon Vandenburg, 19-year-old Brandon Banks and 19-year-old Jaborian McKenzie were kicked off the Vanderbilt football team after they were arrested on five counts of rape, and two counts of sexual battery.

    Vandenburg, whose dorm room was the alleged scene of the crime, was also charged with tampering with evidence and unlawful photography.

    On Monday, his lawyers submitted a 128-page motion in an effort to convince a judge that the case should be dismissed.

    According to WKRN, the filing included interviews with witnesses that described the victim “as a promiscuous and heavy drinker who had a history of dating football players, even working with [Coach James Franklin] to recruit football players.” - TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘promiscuous’ - Screen shot
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    Why not wait until the trial testimony has been published before railing against the defendants as if an accusation is automatically equivalent to guilt; there are too many unknowns without knowing the actual "facts".

    Rape is an abomination; not "a culture of some men" in modern civilization.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Why not wait until the trial testimony has been published before railing against the defendants as if an accusation is automatically equivalent to guilt; there are too many unknowns without knowing the actual "facts". Rape is an abomination; not "a culture of some men" in modern civilization.Find something to smile over, every dayThom Paine
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    NB - However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable. - That is the defense his lawyers are using.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    NB - However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable. - That is the defense his lawyers are using.
    Remember the Duke Lacrosse case? Let's wait for the trial before getting too excited.
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    Good luck with that defense. What guys don't seem to understand (some of them) is that you can't rape unconscious whores. That, of course, is taking them at their word that she is.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    What "persistent rape culture among men"?

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    NB - However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable. - That is the defense his lawyers are using.
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    We agree with "justifiable" ( it is BS ); though the phrasing seems to automatically assume the accusation is correct without seeing the "facts".

    The attorney's motion is reasonable sabre rattling in defense of his client. It lets the plaintiff know she will be thoroughly investigated to establish the reliability of her testimony. If you were accused of a crime and responded with "WTH ? .. that is NOT what happened", it would be appropriate for your attorney to follow the same or similar path. There may be much to shout when this is over but we should not "put the cart in front of the horse".

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What "persistent rape culture among men"?
    Accusing anyone who so much as disagrees with your POV of being a rapist seem to be all the rage these days. I've already heard it twice this morning.
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What "persistent rape culture among men"?
    I'll speak to your question, though not answering for Pantheoen's thought process.

    I think too many young men think it's just fine to have sex with a drunk. I can almost hear the process:

    "She asked for it."
    "What did she think was going to happen?"
    "She's the football team's blow-up doll."

    Now obviously it's not always wrong to have sex with a drunk. But there's a line; and one's conduct defines where the line is. Taking videos and stills; passing them from phone to phone; multiple partners; and, the most important of all, was she freakin' conscious? All tell a story.

    In this case, we're only hearing what the newspaper chose to print and how they chose to slant the story. Always dangerous. Many of us jump to the conclusion the media expects us to jump to. Some of us stand back and say, "Let's wait for more information." (See the thread on the little girl supposedly thrown out of a KFC for her disturbing facial appearance.) In defense of those who jump, what fun would the site be if we all said, "Hey! We don't have enough information. You're just hearing one side of the story."

    And, too, let's face it. "No" does not always mean "no," ladies. Guys have it tough, in my opinion. We really hold their feet to the fire now days. Guys have got to realize they're playing with fire in these instances. It's no laughing matter. It's "the rest of your life."

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