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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is why we have a trial and evidence. we don't now all the facts in this case yet. people are less apt to jump at rape cases like they use to and the duke lacross team was a huge reason for that. it use to be that the benefit of the doubt always went toward the rape victim. the duke case changed all that.

    now more attention is given to evidence and the defendant than the victim.
    I doubt any rape victim gave his or her permission in advance to **** them after they became intoxicated and passed out, and I also doubt a victim would give permission to be photographed during and after being raped.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I absolutely understand it's insulting to the victims of the crimes.

    The actions by Westboro Baptist Church are insulting to the families of those they're protesting as well. However, people like them are part of the pitfalls of the system we have in place in this country as it relates to the right to free speech. And thier existance and actions are not an indictment on free speech, or an indication of society accepting the notion of protesting funerals and declaring god is killing our military members because he "hates fags".

    Simplarly, while the actions of defense attornies and their clients can be insulting to the victims of the crime, I do not believe it's an indictment on our legal system NOR do I think it's an indication that society accepts the arguments they're putting forward as legitimate.
    I had a court appearance years ago, and my attorney advised me that the prosecutor would say dirty and nasty things about me during arguments, my attorney advised me not to outburst or call the prosecuting attorney a liar or anything else, and said it would hurt my case if I did.

    I had to sit and listen to the prosecutor's **** for 15 minutes, while my attorney objected many times.

    IMO, attorneys need to change their etiquette, or at least acquire some.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I doubt any rape victim gave his or her permission in advance to **** them after they became intoxicated and passed out, and I also doubt a victim would give permission to be photographed during and after being raped.
    that is why it is left up to the jury.

    we don't know what happened. she probably could have said yes and was so drunk she forgot.

    pictures could hurt them on a different charge, but that is what a trial is for.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    I'm not quite sure I would say that a "culture of rape is persistent" in all American men...
    But I believe it would be safe to say that college, and even high school, athletic stars have an attitude of sexual entitlement that often gets them into rape situations and accusations.
    In this case, IMHO, rape is more likely to have occurred than not.
    Of course they are due their day in court, but the defense, so far as it has been presented here, has guilty of rape written all over it.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your links are all well and good...if I was suggesting somehow that "rape culture" doesn't exist. I haven't indicated my thoughts either way on this. My comments, and your responses, has been regarding my claims of your attempt to drag this into a "gender war" issue when the far simpler answer is that this isn't motivated by some notion of "rape culture" or anything of the sorts....it's motivated by wanting to try and put forward a defense becuase the person doens't want to plead guilty, and they have little better options than to pull this tired old card. Posting links trying to back up the notion that there is "rape cultuer" doesn't counter my suggestion that you're needlessly and pointlessly interjecting your hyper partisan desire to turn this issue into a gendar war one when the issue could just as realistically be a justice system one.
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    You are claiming that my statement about "rape culture", somehow....mystically or supernaturally, I'm not quite sure; makes this a "gender war" argument. Ok. And my response, has been and will continue to be, "that's your opinion." Very simple. Repetition will not change a thing.

    Why do you keep rehashing this?

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    Of all the rapes and assaults which happen every day across America, why should anyone pay more attention to this case than another?

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of all the rapes and assaults which happen every day across America, why should anyone pay more attention to this case than another?
    It wasn't some pervert lurking in ambush in a darkened park. That form of rape is universally recognized as abhorrent.
    This was college athletic stars who no doubt felt they had an entitlement to sexual favors from any girl they wanted under any circumstances.
    All too often this type of rape has been historically tolerated in our society.
    It's time for that to change.
    That is why we should give it more attention.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 06-25-14 at 02:14 PM.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    And my response, has been and will continue to be, "that's your opinion."
    And I've acknowledged, repeatedly, that it is my opinion but pointed out that based on your statements it's an opinion backed up with significant facts. The "repitition" has came in because you've been responding to that claim with information that is irrelevant to it, such as trying to prove that "rape culture" exists", which has caused me to have to repeat my position since your arguments show you didn't quite understand it the first time.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
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    We agree with "justifiable" ( it is BS ); though the phrasing seems to automatically assume the accusation is correct without seeing the "facts".

    The attorney's motion is reasonable sabre rattling in defense of his client. It lets the plaintiff know she will be thoroughly investigated to establish the reliability of her testimony. If you were accused of a crime and responded with "WTH ? .. that is NOT what happened", it would be appropriate for your attorney to follow the same or similar path. There may be much to shout when this is over but we should not "put the cart in front of the horse".

    Have a good day Pax

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    Is the fact that she was inconcious in dispute here?

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Read this and Note Well: However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable. - That is the defense his lawyers are using. I'll wait for a trial but this BS defense has been shot down so many times it's pathetic.
    This is a speghetti-at-the-Wall defense.

    He will try anything to get his client off, evenif it doesn't make sense.

    If the judge accepted it, then you would have every reason to scream.

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