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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

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    Again, not a fact....your opinion.
    Well, considering you blamed this in part on "rape culture"....and you just acknowledged that "rape culture" inherently is a "Male" problem...I'm going to say it's an opinion rather well supported with evidence.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

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    Well, considering you blamed this in part on "rape culture"....and you just acknowledged that "rape culture" inherently is a "Male" problem...I'm going to say it's an opinion rather well supported with evidence.
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    You can say all you want, opinions are one thing...reality, another, for example;

    Why we need to keep talking about ‘rape culture’

    Rape Culture Is Real

    The Rape Culture on College Campuses Must End
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Deal with it.
    prove it i don't have to deal with things that are balantly false.
    your so called opinion is nothing more than a lie.

    as i said you can't back it up.

    there is no such thing as rape culture.

    your first article is an opinion piece so it is irrelevant.
    your second is written by a feminist which makes it irrelevent.
    the last one is right up there with the daily kos as far as reliability.

    so you still haven't proven anything just feninist bs.
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

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    There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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    So the defense lawyers are basically blaming the female, again.

    How many more times do people need to hear this kind of crap before they stop blaming the victim?

    RAPE CULTURE
    Rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society,[1] and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.[2]
    Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, or refusing to acknowledge the harm of certain forms of sexual violence that do not conform to certain stereotypes of stranger or violent rape. Rape culture has been used to model behavior within social groups, including prison rape and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    You can say all you want, opinions are one thing...reality, another, for example;

    Why we need to keep talking about ‘rape culture’

    Rape Culture Is Real

    The Rape Culture on College Campuses Must End
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    Your links are all well and good...if I was suggesting somehow that "rape culture" doesn't exist. I haven't indicated my thoughts either way on this.

    My comments, and your responses, has been regarding my claims of your attempt to drag this into a "gender war" issue when the far simpler answer is that this isn't motivated by some notion of "rape culture" or anything of the sorts....it's motivated by wanting to try and put forward a defense becuase the person doens't want to plead guilty, and they have little better options than to pull this tired old card.

    Posting links trying to back up the notion that there is "rape cultuer" doesn't counter my suggestion that you're needlessly and pointlessly interjecting your hyper partisan desire to turn this issue into a gendar war one when the issue could just as realistically be a justice system one.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    How many more times do people need to hear this kind of crap before they stop blaming the victim?
    They're likely do this again and again and again. Attack the credability of the other person is a tired and true low ball effort for the legal profession, and not just in rape cases. This is one of the pitfalls of a legal system where people are innocent until proven guilty and who are guaranteed a fair trial under the law. You're rarely going to have people just walking up and going "GUILTY" outside of plea deals, which means lawyers will always try to be finding SOME method of attempting to win the case. Even if the best case scenario is unlikely to succeed 99% of the times, that 1% chance is still viewed as worth it compared to the 100% chance of being found guilty if you plead guilty.

    The question isn't when this will stop happening in the legal profession in this fashion. That's a question that basically has no purpose OTHER than to assure that those who make their political hay off this issue will always be able to beat the drum. The question is whether society, by and large, views these kind of defenses as laughable and illegitimate. And, by and large, that is the case.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your links are all well and good...if I was suggesting somehow that "rape culture" doesn't exist. I haven't indicated my thoughts either way on this.

    My comments, and your responses, has been regarding my claims of your attempt to drag this into a "gender war" issue when the far simpler answer is that this isn't motivated by some notion of "rape culture" or anything of the sorts....it's motivated by wanting to try and put forward a defense becuase the person doens't want to plead guilty, and they have little better options than to pull this tired old card.

    Posting links trying to back up the notion that there is "rape cultuer" doesn't counter my suggestion that you're needlessly and pointlessly interjecting your hyper partisan desire to turn this issue into a gendar war one when the issue could just as realistically be a justice system one.
    the lawyer can file all the motions he wants and the judge has the right to dismiss those motions which more than likely this will be dismissed as well.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They're likely do this again and again and again. Attack the credability of the other person is a tired and true low ball effort for the legal profession, and not just in rape cases. This is one of the pitfalls of a legal system where people are innocent until proven guilty and who are guaranteed a fair trial under the law. You're rarely going to have people just walking up and going "GUILTY" outside of plea deals, which means lawyers will always try to be finding SOME method of attempting to win the case. Even if the best case scenario is unlikely to succeed 99% of the times, that 1% chance is still viewed as worth it compared to the 100% chance of being found guilty if you plead guilty.

    The question isn't when this will stop happening in the legal profession in this fashion. That's a question that basically has no purpose OTHER than to assure that those who make their political hay off this issue will always be able to beat the drum. The question is whether society, by and large, views these kind of defenses as laughable and illegitimate. And, by and large, that is the case.
    It's insulting to victims of a crime committed, low ball isn't the cliche' though, it's much lower than that, how about slugs.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So the defense lawyers are basically blaming the female, again.

    How many more times do people need to hear this kind of crap before they stop blaming the victim?

    RAPE CULTURE


    Rape culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    that is why we have a trial and evidence. we don't now all the facts in this case yet. people are less apt to jump at rape cases like they use to and the duke lacross team was a huge reason for that. it use to be that the benefit of the doubt always went toward the rape victim. the duke case changed all that.

    now more attention is given to evidence and the defendant than the victim.

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    Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It's insulting to victims of a crime committed, low ball isn't the cliche' though, it's much lower than that, how about slugs.
    I absolutely understand it's insulting to the victims of the crimes.

    The actions by Westboro Baptist Church are insulting to the families of those they're protesting as well. However, people like them are part of the pitfalls of the system we have in place in this country as it relates to the right to free speech. And thier existance and actions are not an indictment on free speech, or an indication of society accepting the notion of protesting funerals and declaring god is killing our military members because he "hates fags".

    Simplarly, while the actions of defense attornies and their clients can be insulting to the victims of the crime, I do not believe it's an indictment on our legal system NOR do I think it's an indication that society accepts the arguments they're putting forward as legitimate.

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