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TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘promiscu

Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Well, Jerry, my other post explained why I said that. I don't know how you got out of it that people I hang around with think that.

And the reality is, up to and including the OP, the fact is men have thought that. I said "many" men because I saw it back 30 years ago, and unless something changed, I assume many men over the years have thought it. I gave some specific examples in a later post, and if you read them, I mentioned instances that I was aware of in college (in the early 1980s), and 1 instance where I witnessed it myself while at a work party, also in the 1980s.

If you notice, I am also offended by and pushing back on the OP claim that this is a cultural thing. A few yahoos don't make a culture or even indicate it's a systemic view.
When you say "many men" on a debate forum, that means you've read a credible survey and have a real number to link to. Please do so.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

When you say "many men" on a debate forum, that means you've read a credible survey and have a real number to link to. Please do so.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
Or speaking from personal experience.
That is a credible source.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Or speaking from personal experience.
That is a credible source.
Actually it's not because you would have to make your personal information available to everyone, to verify that you even went to collage, and to look into assaults during the years of your attendance...and that's against forum rules.

Personal experience can help you find credible sources which others can look at, but no one can verify that anything you say is actually true.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

When you say "many men" on a debate forum, that means you've read a credible survey and have a real number to link to. Please do so.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.

I never mentioined a survey, and if you read my posts, Jerry, you will see why I said it. I said it based on personal experience over the course of 30 years, Jerry. That is THE most credible source I have.

And if you are denying that any man in history took advantage of a drunken woman, then you are as unrealistic as the OP who suggested it's cultural.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

One might as well refer to a "persistant child molestation culture".



oops -- I think I might have just given her some ideas...........

That already exists.

I have been told that I am male so I am guilty.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Excuse me? "These women"?

I was not talking about the situation in the OP when I posted what I did. I said I had seen it for myself - and I have.

yes these women because only those types of women say stupid stuff like this, and I quote

Many men have always thought it was okay to have sex with someone who is passed out or can't stop the act. That isn't new.

really you have a study? you have any real evidence to support this?
do you want a wider paint brush or will you retract and apologize.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

I never mentioined a survey, and if you read my posts, Jerry, you will see why I said it. I said it based on personal experience over the course of 30 years, Jerry. That is THE most credible source I have.

And if you are denying that any man in history took advantage of a drunken woman, then you are as unrealistic as the OP who suggested it's cultural.

personal experience is ancedotal evidence which means it is meaningless. your limited experience with the millions of men in this world is meaningless.
either provide a study or survey that suggest what you said is valid or retract it and apologize.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

I never mentioined a survey, and if you read my posts, Jerry, you will see why I said it. I said it based on personal experience over the course of 30 years, Jerry. That is THE most credible source I have.

And if you are denying that any man in history took advantage of a drunken woman, then you are as unrealistic as the OP who suggested it's cultural.
Believe everything you read on the internet, do you? I don't. I've learned that people lie, and the only way to tell who's lying is to check their 'facts', and that requires having a look at their source material.

How many is 'many', exactly? 2 books is literally a 'library'. 2 pistols is literally an 'arsenal'. 2 concurrent identical illnesses is an 'outbreak'. So when you say 'many men' do you mean 2 men? 4? 30% of your graduating class? How many?

How many men did you actually know in the first place, to know you had a representative sample?
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

yes these women because only those types of women say stupid stuff like this, and I quote



really you have a study? you have any real evidence to support this?
do you want a wider paint brush or will you retract and apologize.

No, I have no study, and I am a woman, so if you objected to my post, please direct it at me and not Jerry.

I said what I said based on what I saw in over 30 years.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

So one false accusation of rape means that all accusations are false?

It wasn't the first
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

The scumbag lawyer is just doing his scumbag lawyer job. That is how the system is supposed to work. It is the judge and jury's job to see that he is jumping the shark and that he is a scumbag. I wouldn't blame the lawyer.
The fact that his defense even hints about the victim's promiscuity or drinking history indicates a very weak defense and that he is probably guilty.
If the woman was a full time prostitute, a black-out drunk, married to the man and normally had sex with him five times a day, nonconsensual sex is still rape.

I agree with most of that, except the part about it being the job. The job of the defense attorney is to legally represent their clients before the law. It is not (or should not be), as it has come to be known, to get their clients off even when they know they are guilty.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Believe everything you read on the internet, do you? I don't. I've learned that people lie, and the only way to tell who's lying is to check their 'facts', and that requires having a look at their source material.

How many is 'many', exactly? 2 books is literally a 'library'. 2 pistols is literally an 'arsenal'. 2 concurrent identical illnesses is an 'outbreak'. So when you say 'many men' do you mean 2 men? 4? 30% of your graduating class? How many?

How many men did you actually know in the first place, to know you had a representative sample?

WTF are you talking about Jerry? There was no internet in the 1980s. I said what I saw.

And for the second time, Jerry, I said I had some specific examples that I saw, and unless I am the ONLY person in history to have seen examples for myself, I have to assume it was more than 5 men in history.

Don't talk about pistols or illnesses, Jerry. We aren't talking about them.

Gee, Jerry, how many men have I met in my entire 52 years? Let's see. Shall I sit here for the next month and see if I can name every single man whose path I ever crossed?
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Believe everything you read on the internet, do you? I don't. I've learned that people lie, and the only way to tell who's lying is to check their 'facts', and that requires having a look at their source material.

How many is 'many', exactly? 2 books is literally a 'library'. 2 pistols is literally an 'arsenal'. 2 concurrent identical illnesses is an 'outbreak'. So when you say 'many men' do you mean 2 men? 4? 30% of your graduating class? How many?

How many men did you actually know in the first place, to know you had a representative sample?
Statistics on Sexual Violence
The following statistics are based on national average.


Statistics on Females
Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.(U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey)
1 out of 6 women have been victims of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. (National Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.)
38% of women who have been raped were ages 14-17. (PSU)
60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. (U.S. Department of Justice)
73% of sexual assaults were committed by a non-stranger. (U.S. Department of Justice)
38% of rapists are a friend of acquaintance to the victim. (U.S. Department of Justice)
92% of homeless women have experienced severe physical and or/sexual violence in their lifetime. (PCAR)
Up to 38% of women identify sexual abuse as a reason for leaving their home. (PCAR)
Statistics on Males
An estimated 92,700 men are forcibly raped each year in the United States. (Tjadn & Thoemmes, 1998)
3% of American men have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (National Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.)
In 2003, 1 in every 10 rape victims was male. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Statistics on Children
1 out of 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually assaulted by the time they are 18 years old. (Darkness to Light)
15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12 and 44% are under age 18. (U.S. Department of Justice)
93% of juvenile sexual assault victims know their attacker. (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics)
Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. (RAINN)
The Center for Women and Families of Eastern Fairfield County, Inc. | Statistics on Sexual Assault
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

personal experience is ancedotal evidence which means it is meaningless. your limited experience with the millions of men in this world is meaningless.
either provide a study or survey that suggest what you said is valid or retract it and apologize.

Apologize for what? For repeating what I saw? OMG this is absurd.

Bye.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

No, I have no study, and I am a woman, so if you objected to my post, please direct it at me and not Jerry.

I said what I said based on what I saw in over 30 years.

then you said what you said out of ignorance. you have no proof to support your claim.

i did object to your post that is why i asked you to back it up and you can't back it up.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Apologize for what? For repeating what I saw? OMG this is absurd.

Bye.

yes you should apologize for saying what you said. now that you got caught and can't support yourself you call it absurd. what was absurd is saying what you said.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

No, I have no study, and I am a woman, so if you objected to my post, please direct it at me and not Jerry.

I said what I said based on what I saw in over 30 years.
Using yourself as a source is to put yourself under the microscope. Just as debaters would dissect the internals and methods of a survey, or look into a journalist who published a report, if you use yourself as your source then we would look into you. Let's begin with your full legal name, the collage that you attended and your years of attendance.

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Just admit that this is just your opinion.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Apologize for what? For repeating what I saw? OMG this is absurd.
You never saw any such thing...unless you can prove it. You never went to collage....unless you can prove it. You aren't even a woman....unless you can prove it.

Thus us the nature of debate.
 
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NB - However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable. - That is the defense his lawyers are using.

Is it?

I don't know anything more about this case then what I read in the article you linked to but that certainly doesn't say that.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

WTF are you talking about Jerry? There was no internet in the 1980s.
If I'm not mistaken, this conversation is occurring over the internet right now. You are reading my words on the internet, and I am reading your words on the internet. You want me to just believe you, you want me to believe something I just read on the internet, because it's you who wrote it. Well, I don't know you, and so I have no reason to believe anything you say is true or real. You could be telling the truth, but I have no way of knowing...unless you post source material backing up what you've claimed.

Gee, Jerry, how many men have I met in my entire 52 years? Let's see. Shall I sit here for the next month and see if I can name every single man whose path I ever crossed?
I don't know that you're 52 years old. I don't know you. I can't say I've even seen a picture of you in the Tavern Members Pic threads.
 
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Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

that is not evidence of many men. it is a small segment of all men. in fact it is the minority of all men. so her statement is nothing more than an appeal to emotion.

Many is a non-specific quantity. The statistics indicate 3% of all american men are rapists. The US population has 151 million men...That means that there are at least three and a half million male rapists in the US.
Is that many?
Anyone including you would have to agree, that it is TOO many.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

Of all the rapes and assaults which happen every day across America, why should anyone pay more attention to this case than another?
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Good question. Why did you reply to it?
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

And I've acknowledged, repeatedly, that it is my opinion but pointed out that based on your statements it's an opinion backed up with significant facts. The "repitition" has came in because you've been responding to that claim with information that is irrelevant to it, such as trying to prove that "rape culture" exists", which has caused me to have to repeat my position since your arguments show you didn't quite understand it the first time.
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By all means, keep repeating yourself if that's what pleases you but it changes nothing.
 
Re: TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘prom

This is a speghetti-at-the-Wall defense. He will try anything to get his client off, evenif it doesn't make sense. If the judge accepted it, then you would have every reason to scream.
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While you are free to voice your opinion, I am free to voice mine. You don't agree with my opinion on this, that's fine with me.
 
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