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Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

ARealConservative said:
good riddance to all the apologists.
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I'm not apologizing for anything. I like to stick to the facts. Paul's rant is completely uninformed. If he really believes it then he's too ignorant to hold office. If he knows it's BS then he's dishonest. Take your pick.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not apologizing for anything. I like to stick to the facts. Paul's rant is completely uninformed. If he really believes it then he's too ignorant to hold office. If he knows it's BS then he's dishonest. Take your pick.
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If you think Paul is too ignorant to serve, that tells me you are too ignorant to bother with. :peace
 
Jack Hays said:
On the topic of this thread his statement was completely uninformed. As I said, he's either ignorant or dishonest.
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and which of "YOUR" posts proves this assertion? I must of missed it.
 
Jack Hays said:
I haven't posted any assertions, but I know Paul's claim is 100% BS.:peace
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"ISIS emboldened after US armed its allies in Syria"

That is the claim of substance you have given zero evidence of being false. All the crap about if that ally in Syria is ISIS, or some other group is just obfuscation by apologists that don't want to focus on how we arm terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and have done so for decades.
 
ARealConservative said:
"ISIS emboldened after US armed its allies in Syria"

That is the claim of substance you have given zero evidence of being false. All the crap about if that ally in Syria is ISIS, or some other group is just obfuscation by apologists that don't want to focus on how we arm terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and have done so for decades.
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We do not arm terrorists or terrorist sympathizers and have not done so. :peace
 
Jack Hays said:
We do not arm terrorists or terrorist sympathizers and have not done so. :peace
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hahaha. you probably refuse to accept the truth of the Gulf of Tonkin too.

enough with you
 
ARealConservative said:
"ISIS emboldened after US armed its allies in Syria"

That is the claim of substance you have given zero evidence of being false. All the crap about if that ally in Syria is ISIS, or some other group is just obfuscation by apologists that don't want to focus on how we arm terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and have done so for decades.
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During the Carter administration the US backed the militant Islamic group Mujahideen and every president since has supported militant Islamic groups, sometimes removing them from the terrorist list to cover for the support. Us policy in the ME can be nothing other than destabilisation, just have a look across the region.
 
Montecresto said:
During the Carter administration the US backed the militant Islamic group Mujahideen and every president since has supported militant Islamic groups, sometimes removing them from the terrorist list to cover for the support. Us policy in the ME can be nothing other than destabilisation, just have a look across the region.
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The Carter and Reagan administrations did indeed back the Mujahedin against the USSR in Afghanistan. Not all the Mujahedin were actually Islamic militants; some were simply nationalists or tribal traditionalists. Regardless, our support ended when the Soviets left Afghanistan, and it was not until many years later that the Taliban took over the country. :peace
 
Montecresto said:
During the Carter administration the US backed the militant Islamic group Mujahideen and every president since has supported militant Islamic groups, sometimes removing them from the terrorist list to cover for the support. Us policy in the ME can be nothing other than destabilisation, just have a look across the region.
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You can go back way further to Operation Ajax where we recruited local Nazis and Muslim terrorists. Pretty much every man, women, and child in that region know what we were up to, but the apologists still exist.
 
ARealConservative said:
You can go back way further to Operation Ajax where we recruited local Nazis and Muslim terrorists. Pretty much every man, women, and child in that region know what we were up to, but the apologists still exist.
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More silliness.:lamo

[h=3]The Myth of an American Coup - Council on Foreign Relations[/h]www.cfr.org › IranCouncil on Foreign Relations


Jun 10, 2013 - Ray Takeyh debunks the myth that the CIA was responsible for Mossadeq's demise and the 1953 Iranian coup.
 
ARealConservative said:
You can go back way further to Operation Ajax where we recruited local Nazis and Muslim terrorists. Pretty much every man, women, and child in that region know what we were up to, but the apologists still exist.
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Yep. When faced with the choice to support moderates, US policy was to support the militant Islamic groups. We have supported Sunnis against Shia for decades.

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
 
Montecresto said:
Yep. When faced with the choice to support moderates, US policy was to support the militant Islamic groups. We have supported Sunnis against Shia for decades.

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups.


Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A great Cold War victory.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
There is nothing in my post or link that suggests we armed terrorists.:peace
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your link confirms all we know about the CIA's actions. it's an apologist piece that claims our activity didn't work.
 
Jack Hays said:
To which the reply is: so what? The point was there was no support to terrorists.:peace
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your link merely agrees that the CIA was involved in several phases. Unless your link actually states we didn't arm terrorists, your link is of little use, other then adding more to my side.


The New York Times recently leaked a CIA report on the 1953 American-British overthrow of Mosaddeq, Iran's Prime Minister. It billed the report as a secret history of the secret coup, and treated it as an invaluable substitute for the U.S. files that remain inaccessible. But a reconstruction of the coup from other sources, especially from the archives of the British Foreign Office, indicates that this report is highly sanitized. It glosses over such sensitive issues as the crucial participation of the U.S. ambassador in the actual overthrow; the role of U.S. military advisers; the harnessing of local Nazis and Muslim terrorists; and the use of assassinations to destabilize the government. What is more, it places the coup in the context of the Cold War rather than that of the Anglo-Iranian oil crisis—a classic case of nationalism clashing with imperialism in the Third World.[122]
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ARealConservative said:
your link merely agrees that the CIA was involved in several phases. Unless your link actually states we didn't arm terrorists, your link is of little use, other then adding more to my side.
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The usual nonsense. There were lots of imaginative ploys tried, but none could reasonably be called terrorism.
 
Jack Hays said:
The usual nonsense. There were lots of imaginative ploys tried, but none could reasonably be called terrorism.
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sorry, the British release of intelligence has outed the truth. no stuffing the genie back in the bottle, as much as you want to continue to prey to your golden calf, men making military decisions are also infallible.
 
ARealConservative said:
sorry, the British release of intelligence has outed the truth. no stuffing the genie back in the bottle, as much as you want to continue to prey to your golden calf, men making military decisions are also infallible.
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The British played their own game.:peace
 
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