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Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria



Yeah, for one minute we are suppose to believe that the terrorists are going to continue to fight each other. Of course do you think all those American Fighters that went and joined the Syria Rebels/Terrorists......are a bigger concern with this guys?


Terrorists Team Up in Syria to Build Next Generation of Bombs.....

An alliance has been building inside war-ravaged Syria, with al Qaeda-linked terrorists there now working alongside hardened operatives from the prolific al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen to develop a new generation of bombs that could be smuggled aboard commercial planes, ABC News has learned.

This potentially lethal partnership helps to explain why U.S. officials have so publicly expressed concern about thousands of Americans and other foreign fighters who joined terrorists in Syria, and it is at least part of what sparked a warning to airlines earlier this year to look out for explosives-laden toothpaste tubes, cosmetics and shoes.

The U.S. government had obtained intelligence that associates of an al Qaeda affiliate in Syria – the Al Nusrah Front – and extreme elements of other radical groups were being joined by operatives from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemen-based group behind the failed underwear bomb plot on Christmas Day 2009 and the plot a year later to take down cargo planes over the United States with explosives packed into printer cartridges.

And the groups are jointly working to produce new and “creative” designs for nonmetallic explosives, leading U.S. analysts to believe that the group of radicals, who have worked with Al Nusrah Front, might be looking to target a U.S.- or European-bound plane, sources told ABC News.....snip~

Terrorists Team Up in Syria to Build Next Generation of Bombs - Yahoo


http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/197677-terrorists-syria-working-stealth-bombs.html
 
Paul is probably right. Knowing some of those we armed and helped for either short term gain or just to spit an known enemy at the time, arming ISIS probably happened and maybe is continuing. We wanted Assad gone, most likely this arming was not to the ISIS directly, but indirectly.

Yeah Pero.....I even had a thread on when the Rebels were giving the weapons to Al Nusra or ISIL. Its up in the ME thread.

How indirectly they was shown to be.
 
We also have the thread on who all the Rebels that were involved and others caught up into the conflict. From the beginning.

In the thread we have here.....In Honor of the Syrian Rebels.



Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce.

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/171776-honor-syrian-rebels-w-90-a-2.html
 
We also have the thread on who all the Rebels that were involved and others caught up into the conflict. From the beginning.

In the thread we have here.....In Honor of the Syrian Rebels.



Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce.

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/171776-honor-syrian-rebels-w-90-a-2.html

Is Sharia Law not a widespread religious teaching? In other words, why do some groups have it, and others don't? :confused:

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
 
Is Sharia Law not a widespread religious teaching? In other words, why do some groups have it, and others don't? :confused:

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
Sharia law originated and is exported by Saudi Arabia. Bashar Assad for example is fighting against this.
 
Is Sharia Law not a widespread religious teaching? In other words, why do some groups have it, and others don't? :confused:

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

Greetings and fair tidings Polgara! :2wave:

There are a number of different Muslim sects (Sunni and Shiite conflicting in Iraq with the Kurds thrown in), each having slightly different beliefs and value systems.

Of these, seems that Wahhabi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is the most conservative, with strong support for Sharia law. OBL was a Wahhabi from Saudi Arabia, for example.
 
Is Sharia Law not a widespread religious teaching? In other words, why do some groups have it, and others don't? :confused:

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:


One thing is for certain Lady P......Terrorists are spreading, and under BO. Plus now we have to worry about all these Americans that went to fight for these so called Rebels/Terrorists.

Jihadis.....and their version of Islamic law.


Also there is the Sunni Doctrine of Islam and the Shia Doctrine.
 
Yeah Pero.....I even had a thread on when the Rebels were giving the weapons to Al Nusra or ISIL. Its up in the ME thread.

How indirectly they was shown to be.

Perhaps not that indirectly that one should be surprise if our arms ended up with ISIS, AN or other AQ rebels fighting Assad. We give the arms to Turkey for them to distribute in Syria. We really have no control whom they give them to.
 
Perhaps not that indirectly that one should be surprise if our arms ended up with ISIS, AN or other AQ rebels fighting Assad. We give the arms to Turkey for them to distribute in Syria. We really have no control whom they give them to.

Yeah, I can't remember if I had it up in the Concerning Syria Thread or if it was a Separate on its own. But I remember the story. Rebel Commanders said they would give them to the al Nusra or likes since they were the tougher fighters and leading the battles.

These might interest you and can give you some insight as to why and what has been going on.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...ar-splits-nation-into-3-distinct-regions.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...-most-syria-rebels-not-seeking-democracy.html
 
Sharia law originated and is exported by Saudi Arabia. Bashar Assad for example is fighting against this.

So it may be that the rebels want Sharia in Syria? So why does Obama want to help fund and train the rebels then - would he want his wife and daughters subject to that? I can almost guarantee Michelle wouldn't agree - not the way she likes to wear designer fashions, which is her right! Assad apparently knows the women of his country wouldn't either. What is Obama thinking?

Greetings, 24107. :2wave:
 
So it may be that the rebels want Sharia in Syria? So why does Obama want to help fund and train the rebels then - would he want his wife and daughters subject to that? I can almost guarantee Michelle wouldn't agree - not the way she likes to wear designer fashions, which is her right! Assad apparently knows the women of his country wouldn't either. What is Obama thinking?

Greetings, 24107. :2wave:
yes these rebels who are essentially al Qaeda are Directly funded by Saudi Arabia. No funding from Saudi Arabia equals no existence of al Qaeda or ISIS.
 
yes these rebels who are essentially al Qaeda are Directly funded by Saudi Arabia. No funding from Saudi Arabia equals no existence of al Qaeda or ISIS.


Heya 24. :2wave: Well really you would also have to take out Qatar and their backing of the MB.
 
Greetings and fair tidings Polgara! :2wave:

There are a number of different Muslim sects (Sunni and Shiite conflicting in Iraq with the Kurds thrown in), each having slightly different beliefs and value systems.

Of these, seems that Wahhabi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is the most conservative, with strong support for Sharia law. OBL was a Wahhabi from Saudi Arabia, for example.

So why is Obama asking Congress for money to help the rebels send Syria back to the stone age? Assad is a college trained doctor and wants his country to move forward, not backwards! And Syria is helping Maliki in his fight with rebels in Iraq by sending aircraft. This doesn't make sense - what is Obama thinking?

Good evening to you, Erik. :2wave:
 
Yeah, I can't remember if I had it up in the Concerning Syria Thread or if it was a Separate on its own. But I remember the story. Rebel Commanders said they would give them to the al Nusra or likes since they were the tougher fighters and leading the battles.

These might interest you and can give you some insight as to why and what has been going on.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...ar-splits-nation-into-3-distinct-regions.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...-most-syria-rebels-not-seeking-democracy.html

I know, the Syrian rebels, most of them anyway are after an Islamic Republic. If I had my way, I think I would switch to backing and helping Assad, he may be an evil man, a dictator, all of that, but he is the best option available in Syria.
 
Heya 24. :2wave: Well really you would also have to take out Qatar and their backing of the MB.

Here was concerning Iraq and if we would have bombed Syria.


An Iraqi Shi'ite militia group said on Friday it would attack U.S. interests in Iraq and the region if Washington carries out a military strike on Syria.

"All their interests and facilities in Iraq and the region will be targeted by our militants if the United States insists on attacking Syria," a spokesman for the Iraqi militia group al-Nujaba'a told Reuters by telephone, without giving details.

Al-Nujaba'a is an umbrella group which includes Iraqi Shi'ite militants who have crossed into neighboring Syria to fight alongside troops loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Assad is from the Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.

The group includes fighters of the Asaib al-Haq and Kata'ib Hezbollah militias and the Mehdi army militia of anti-U.S. Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, which was mostly disbanded after its defeat by Iraqi and U.S. forces in 2008.....snip~

Iraqi militia vowes to attack U.S. interests if Syria hit

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...attack-u-s-interests-if-syria-hit-w-13-a.html
 
One thing is for certain Lady P......Terrorists are spreading, and under BO. Plus now we have to worry about all these Americans that went to fight for these so called Rebels/Terrorists.

Jihadis.....and their version of Islamic law.


Also there is the Sunni Doctrine of Islam and the Shia Doctrine.

I hope Congress says NO to the money request! We're going to get blamed for whatever happens, so why would we help radical rebels overthrow Assad, who is apparently fairly well liked by his people? I just don't understand Obama's thinking! We need to stay out of this religious fight!
 
Heya 24. :2wave: Well really you would also have to take out Qatar and their backing of the MB.
That's true my friend, but Qatar is essentially the little brother of Saudi Arabia. So many times I don't even bother to mention them. Also Bahrain is propped up by Saudi Arabia which is cracking the whip on the Shia majority there. But no calls for liberation or fighting terrorism there. I wonder why?
 
I hope Congress says NO to the money request! We're going to get blamed for whatever happens, so why would we help radical rebels overthrow Assad, who is apparently fairly well liked by his people? I just don't understand Obama's thinking! We need to stay out of this religious fight!

I am with you on this Pol. It seems we may be on the wrong side of history in Syria, Libya too. Not counting Iraq which one has to have a program to understand the players there.
 
I hope Congress says NO to the money request! We're going to get blamed for whatever happens, so why would we help radical rebels overthrow Assad, who is apparently fairly well liked by his people? I just don't understand Obama's thinking! We need to stay out of this religious fight!

I agree with not getting involved in their sectarian divide and its War......But the whole time. We could have been killing terrorists. With Drones......and with the CIA and any other types inside Syria, Turkey, and Jordan. That's if we wouldn't have backed the the Sunni Rebels to drive Assad out.

Even Assad and a Dictator is forced to Kill them like everybody else should be doing.


The Euros shouldn't even be thinking about sitting on the sidelines.
 
PressTV - US arming Syria militants with advanced weapons: Report

I am of course assuming that a weapon that goes to ANY Syrian militant is probably going to ISIS.

Would those weapons include the ones Sen. McCain personally brought with him when he wanted to bomb Syria?
As you know, the GOP has two wings in any foreign affair, sometimes more--the NEOs and ISOs.

Paul continues to position himself INSIDE the GOP for his Presidential run.
If he ever finds a billionaire sugar-daddy, he'll break away and form a 3rd party top-down .
 
Would those weapons include the ones Sen. McCain personally brought with him when he wanted to bomb Syria?
As you know, the GOP has two wings in any foreign affair, sometimes more--the NEOs and ISOs.

Paul continues to position himself INSIDE the GOP for his Presidential run.
If he ever finds a billionaire sugar-daddy, he'll break away and form a 3rd party top-down .

Go Ron Paul Go... Go Raun Paul Go... Go Ron Paul Goooooo!!!!
 
Would those weapons include the ones Sen. McCain personally brought with him when he wanted to bomb Syria?
As you know, the GOP has two wings in any foreign affair, sometimes more--the NEOs and ISOs.

Paul continues to position himself INSIDE the GOP for his Presidential run.
If he ever finds a billionaire sugar-daddy, he'll break away and form a 3rd party top-down .


Do you have some link on that Nimby.....I am not real big on Johnny Quest McCain and from what I know.. McCain brought no weapons with him to Syria. No US Senator would be caught doing so. Now......what he did do was take pics with people who he said he knew. That was not true. Plus he took pics with a Syrian Rebel/ Terrorist wearing a Peace T-Shirt.
 
So why is Obama asking Congress for money to help the rebels send Syria back to the stone age? Assad is a college trained doctor and wants his country to move forward, not backwards! And Syria is helping Maliki in his fight with rebels in Iraq by sending aircraft. This doesn't make sense - what is Obama thinking?

Good evening to you, Erik. :2wave:

Enemy of my enemy is my friend? (At least for now).

It's a tangled web of situational ethics, temporarily aligned national interests, and burning imperative mostly against the Islamic extremists ISIS or ISIL (pending on whom you are talking to), which are even too extreme for Al Qaeda, which has rejected them.
 
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