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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nope. I'm happy to point out where US foreign policy has failed. I just choose to do so in an informed manner, where I actually know what I am talking about.



    Dude you are trying to pull anything you can out of thin air to make Paul not an idiot, a fool, or a liar. You are the one who chose to make yourself sound desperate, not me.

    As for patronising? maybe - I give off that tone sometimes. But both Paul and you clearly know very little about ISIL, and you refused to accept that, but continued to insist on a claim unconnected to reality.
    Well I will confess that I haven't seen all of your posts, so I can't know if you've ever criticised US foreign policy. But even beyond IS (what they're calling themselves now, just so you'll know.) You won't acknowledge all the other examples of the US supporting militant Islamist groups, and that we have imbedded ourselves in a centuries old sectarian conflict, not in the middle even, but rather favouring the Sunnis over the Shias.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's worth noting as well that while the word "completely" sets up an impossible strawman, we actually have a pretty good idea about the major groups in those three countries. In Libya, for example, AAS (they are currently, of course, busy with General Haftar) is perhaps the most active, and they fall under AQIM, who fall under AQSL, meaning that they back the ANF, not ISIL, who fights with ANF as well as the FSA, and generally proves as willing to attack fellow rebels as they are the Syrian regime (infighting among the rebels is one of the regimes' greatest assets in this fight).

    ISIL, on the other hand, has been led by Abubakr al-Baghdadi since the death of Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who picked up leadership of ISIL after the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. At each point they were lead by Islamists who were affiliated with the AQ brand - although Zarqawi was home grown and Abubakr al-Baghdadi later rejected Zawahiri's Emirship. At no point has this organization ever been led by Baathists or those who seek representative government, such as the two men your source tried to claim were ISIL leadership, as they consider both to be apostate and anathema.
    Completely, isn't a strawman. Bush didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, asking, "aren't they all Muslims", let alone which terrorist groups had which allegiances.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Very, VERY unfortunately that's a minority view amongst those who are even aware of it.
    If Americans ever really paid attention, which tends not to be people on a message board like this, and knew of the **** their government has done around the world, things might (just might) be different
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    Widespread, expressed opposition to the Vietnam war forced the USA to get out of that un-winnable mess.

    Instead of throwing away money overseas the USA should be investing in its own people and infrastructure at home.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Thoughtless know-nothingism should be challenged. I'm doing my duty.
    "Thoughtless-know-nothingism?" : May I borrow that? According to the rules, I have to ask, you know.

    Good Friday morning, Jack.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I really have no interest in your foreign policy views and how you cheer on the violent overthrow of elected leaders.
    That's just it. As I showed you, as far back as the Carter administration, the policy was to support the MILITANT Islamic groups, and not the moderates, and that has been the SOP all the way through. We have created enemies that we have in turn had to fight. And are responsible for the deaths of so many innocent civilians along the way. Remember, killing 100,000 is foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Widespread, expressed opposition to the Vietnam war forced the USA to get out of that un-winnable mess.

    Instead of throwing away money overseas the USA should be investing in its own people and infrastructure at home.
    I love it!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's not clear to me that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. On the Repub side there are several candidates who would interest me. If Rand Paul were the nominee (unlikely in my view) then I would probably not vote at all.
    it's pretty early, but as it stands, he is the front runner, and polling shows a definite change in how republican voters feel about foreign policy.

    I'm fairly certain the powers to be will prop up anyone/everyone to prevent real change from occurring, including begging Mittens to run again.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    "Thoughtless-know-nothingism?" : May I borrow that? According to the rules, I have to ask, you know.

    Good Friday morning, Jack.
    Consider it yours. I'll be honored when you use it. Happy Friday, Polgara.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    it's pretty early, but as it stands, he is the front runner, and polling shows a definite change in how republican voters feel about foreign policy.

    I'm fairly certain the powers to be will prop up anyone/everyone to prevent real change from occurring, including begging Mittens to run again.
    I doubt Romney would agree to run again, but he would be vastly superior to Rand Paul. My dog would be superior to Rand Paul.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I doubt Romney would agree to run again, but he would be vastly superior to Rand Paul. My dog would be superior to Rand Paul.
    your opinion means very little on the national stage, but since you can’t actually produce facts that back up your opinion, you are just trolling at this point.

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