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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Which may or may not be the case.
    Why we would arm anyone in Syria is a mystery to me. I really don't see any good guys over there, and if the arms we supply are, indeed going to ISIS that is a total failure of foreign policy.

    But, saying that we are arming ISIS does seem to me to be jumping to conclusions at this point.
    Maybe not intended but probably inevitable. Take this theoretical or again perhaps not example, who knows? We have a stockpile of weapons from many countries around the world, weapons not directly traceable to the U.S. In this case we use a middle man we can trust. How about fellow NATO member Turkey, who also has a beef with Assad and wants to help the rebels. We give Turkey the weapons but state none to go to any AQ rebels, just the good rebels. Turkey of course says okay as all they want is the weapons. Turkey takes these weapons and distributes them as they see fit, all along assuring the U.S. none of the weapons are going to any rebel group that associates themselves with AQ.

    Turkey gives them to any rebel group they want to. I would assume here Turkey is giving them to the strongest rebel groups which have the best chance of overthrowing Assad. Turkey doesn't who the Rebels are associated with. So ISIS and other terrorist groups could indeed be receiving arms from the U.S., abet indirectly.

    The above is just an example of how we do things, are we doing it this way, who knows?
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Could the Republican party be any more schizophrenic when it comes to foreign policy?


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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Maybe not intended but probably inevitable. Take this theoretical or again perhaps not example, who knows? We have a stockpile of weapons from many countries around the world, weapons not directly traceable to the U.S. In this case we use a middle man we can trust. How about fellow NATO member Turkey, who also has a beef with Assad and wants to help the rebels. We give Turkey the weapons but state none to go to any AQ rebels, just the good rebels. Turkey of course says okay as all they want is the weapons. Turkey takes these weapons and distributes them as they see fit, all along assuring the U.S. none of the weapons are going to any rebel group that associates themselves with AQ.

    Turkey gives them to any rebel group they want to. I would assume here Turkey is giving them to the strongest rebel groups which have the best chance of overthrowing Assad. Turkey doesn't who the Rebels are associated with. So ISIS and other terrorist groups could indeed be receiving arms from the U.S., abet indirectly.

    The above is just an example of how we do things, are we doing it this way, who knows?
    That scenario is at least plausible.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Could the Republican party be any more schizophrenic when it comes to foreign policy?

    Jon Soltz: McCain Poses With Alleged Terrorists -- Proof That Involvement in Syria Is a Bad Idea

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    there is more then enough stupidity on Syria; McCain's fantasy posing with General Idris, of the FSA, Obama's "red line" to degrade Assad -
    which thankfully Kerry managed to punt to the Russians, when they said "sure we'll get rid of the chem weapons." ( which are sorta going..slowly.. away).

    al_Nusra Front allied with ISIL until even they realized just how bad they are ( heart eating, beheadings, crucifixions)..we still have this meme of a "transition" away from Assad.

    Still arming up so called "moderates", even when moderates cannot hold their weapons

    Islamists seize Free Syrian Army arms depots: activists | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

    cut it out. support an end to the war, support Assad - even if the Russians do also

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Its not like this hasn't happened in the past before... I mean Regan and Bush sr armed Al Quaeda so I mean... there is plenty of precedent of presidents doing this. We armed Al Quaeda to fight russia.... worked out bad for us... and then we repeat the mistake and arm these syrian militants.... also bad.
    I think with Reagan it really wasn't AQ, it was all 18 tribes of Afghanistan which included the Taliban. I am not sure if AQ as an organization existed, if it did it was small. Ollie North warned congress about UBL when he was testifying before congress. No one had heard of UBL, so everyone just laughed UBL off at the time. But to get back to the arming of one organization I really hated.

    If you remember in April of 1975 Phnom Penh fell and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge took over. We were on the side of Lon Nol fighting the Khmer Rouge at this time. During the next 3 years Pol Pot and his KR either killed or caused the deaths of 3 million Cambodians, this out of a country that only had 7 Million people before the killing fields started. In 1978 the North Vietnamese invaded, I should say just the Vietnamese since it was one country then and put a stop to the Killing Fields, Pol Pot and his KR. The Vietnamese drove the KR out into the jungle and set up a puppet government in Phnom Penh.

    Instead of thanking the Vietnamese as we should, since we still hated the Vietnamese we begin to arm Pol Pot and his KR to include some training of the KR in Thailand. We talked the Thai's into giving the KR sanctuaries whenever the Vietnamese got too close to them. Can you imagine that, helping Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge who had just exterminated 3 million of their own people. Jimmy Carter started this and Reagan continued it keeping the man in charge of arming the KR during Carter in the same job in his administration to oversee Reagan's arming of the KR.

    To me the Vietnamese were heroes for stopping the killing fields. yet the U.S. was now in business of arming, training and giving sactuary to a group that had just killed or cause the death of 3 million people.

    If we can do this, we sure can arm ISIS.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    there is more then enough stupidity on Syria; McCain's fantasy posing with General Idris, of the FSA, Obama's "red line" to degrade Assad -which thankfully Kerry managed to punt to the Russians,
    when they said "sure we'll get rid of the chem weapons." ( which are sorta going).

    al_Nusra Front allied with ISIL until even they realized just how bad they are ( heart eating, beheadings, crucifixions)..we still have this meme of a "transition" away from Assad.
    Still arming up so called "moderates", even when moderates cannot hold their weapons

    Islamists seize Free Syrian Army arms depots: activists | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

    cut it out. support an end to the war, support Assad -even if the Russians do also
    So... since they are going to kill themselves anyways.... Can we Nuke the whole country of Syria Plzzzzz???

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That scenario is at least plausible.
    I'm not saying that is the way it was done or even if we are doing something akin to it. Just that we have done things this way in the past, probably more times than one would want to think.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    So... since they are going to kill themselves anyways.... Can we Nuke the whole country of Syria Plzzzzz???
    it's not just Syria ( trying to give a sane answer to an insane idea) it's Lebanon, Turkey, our friends in Jordan, the whole of the Levant that is in danger whether from 9,000,000 Syrian refuges,
    or ISIL itself
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm not saying that is the way it was done or even if we are doing something akin to it. Just that we have done things this way in the past, probably more times than one would want to think.
    Yes, we have, and much more than we should have.
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