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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    This is among the dumbest arguments in the world.

    Because private citizens in Saudi Arabia funnel money to ISIS, the US is funding ISIS through it's puppet, KSA.

    Because that makes obvious sense. Duh.

    Hell, I could use that logic to prove that UHC is a terrorist plot. Because former members of terror organizations are politically pro-UHC. So obviously single-payer in the United States is ISIS' plan for world domination.


    I swear. There is nothing so incredibly stupid that people who want to believe it won't be able to convince themselves it is true.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If he said something that he knew wasn't true, then he lied.

    If he made it up, then he lied.

    If he honestly thought we were, then he was amazingly uninformed, and shouldn't have been commenting on something he knew so little about.

    If he thinks instead that there is some kind of conspiracy to secretly fund AQI/ISIL/ISI/IS; despite the fact that they are a group literally founded on the intent to kill as many Americans as possible and foment a civil war in Iraq in order to drive us from the region, then he belongs with the 9/11 truthers and birthers.

    ......and those are kind of sort of your options. None of them are good.





    You are letting your personal feelings towards the man cloud judgement here. What he said was and is not only false, but obviously false.
    I will be waiting to see. But US history in supporting terrorist organisations suggest that he is right.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I will be waiting to see. But US history in supporting terrorist organisations suggest that he is right.
    Actual US history says that he is wrong. You're dodging because Paul so badly F'd up.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actual US history says that he is wrong. You're dodging because Paul so badly F'd up.
    The history isn't all in on this ongoing situation, and I'm not dodging anything. But I'm sure that what Paul knows will become public knowledge in time. The US has a history of supporting terrorist organisations, and time will tell us if IS is one of them or not.

    http://www.globalissues.org/article/...-for-terrorism
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The history isn't all in on this ongoing situation, and I'm not dodging anything. But I'm sure that what Paul knows will become public knowledge in time. The US has a history of supporting terrorist organisations, and time will tell us if IS is one of them or not.
    Paul doesn't know anything special - he's either making this crap up, or ignorantly repeating what he's heard.

    If the best you can come up with is that maybe there is some ridiculous conspiracy theory (and this would be one of the most outlandish ones' I've heard) that will vindicate him, well, then you belong with the 9/11 truthers and perhaps should take this discussion to the forum set aside for it.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Paul doesn't know anything special - he's either making this crap up, or ignorantly repeating what he's heard.

    If the best you can come up with is that maybe there is some ridiculous conspiracy theory (and this would be one of the most outlandish ones' I've heard) that will vindicate him, well, then you belong with the 9/11 truthers and perhaps should take this discussion to the forum set aside for it.
    What does Rand Paul's knowledge about US support of IS have to do with 9/11 and truth-ers? Boy have you ever left the ranch!
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Operation Hornets Nest: Alleged Snowden document says US/UK/Israel are behind ISIS
    From Gulf Daily News…

    *The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.

    NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

    According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”.

    Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech..

    Facts:

    1) ISIS leader Al-Baghdadi was once a super-high level prisoner of the US government. Despite the fact that the US had offered a ten million dollar reward for him, the Obama regime ordered his release in 2009.

    2) The Obama regime, with major support from Senate neo-cons John McCain and Lindsey Graham, gave hundreds of millions in military aid to Sunni Jihadists in Syria. Thousands of individuals receiving US aid are now members of ISIS. In fact, ISIS has even posted pictures of ISIS fighters with US Senator John McCain on the internet.

    3) Israel has directly aided Sunni Jihadists in Syria by bombing Syrian military assets during Jihadist attacks.

    4) The Israeli Prime Minister has reacted to the ISIS spearheaded Sunni/Shia Civil War in Iraq with borderline glee. The president of Israel has also suggested that a Sunni/Shia war is beneficial to the future of Israel.

    5) The US and Britiain provided Sunni Jihadists with Toyota trucks in Syria. When, an army of ISIS fighters rolled over the Syria/Iraq border it looked like a commercial for Toyota.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Paul doesn't know anything special - he's either making this crap up, or ignorantly repeating what he's heard.

    If the best you can come up with is that maybe there is some ridiculous conspiracy theory (and this would be one of the most outlandish ones' I've heard) that will vindicate him, well, then you belong with the 9/11 truthers and perhaps should take this discussion to the forum set aside for it.
    No! Not conspiracy theory. Decades of US support of "terrorist" organisations, also known as militant Islamic groups, makes Paul's claim quite logical actually.


    Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone


    Such activities have never ceased.
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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post

    No! Not conspiracy theory. Decades of US support of "terrorist" organisations, also known as militant Islamic groups, makes Paul's claim quite logical actually.
    No, it doesn't.

    Because ISIL is AQI. They are an organization literally founded to kill Americans and foment a civil war in Iraq.

    Furthermore, we have a pretty good idea of the groups we are actually helping in Syria, as well as a depiction of the groups we helped in Libya, some of whom may now be in Syria. Neither of these sets of groups is ISIL, or ISIL - affiliated.

    So, yes. Conspiracy theory. Because in order for it to be true, it would require that secret US foriegn policy was working at odds to US interests, seeking to kill US citizens, and seeking to ruin our stated foreign policy goals in the Middle East. It would require that there actually be a conspiracy to carry out. So yes, a conspiracy theory. Simply saying "Oh, ISIL is a terrorist group. Some of the people we helped in Libya turned into terrorists groups. Obviously a case can be made that the US might have helped any terrorist group" isn't logical, its' nonsensical. I could use the same logic to make the claim that the US supported the Black Panthers, or that Iran was also supporting ISIL. Both of which would be equally idiotic.

    I understand that those who have no education in actual terror groups might get easily confused and not know the difference between, for example, Hezbollah and Hamas, or ANF and ISIL. But people who dont' have any idea what they are talking about shouldn't try to propose policy based on their ignorance.

    Which takes us right back to where we began. Either Paul is ignorant, or he is lying.

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    Re: Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Operation Hornets Nest: Alleged Snowden document says US/UK/Israel are behind ISIS
    From Gulf Daily News…

    *The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.

    NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

    According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”.

    Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech..

    Facts:

    1) ISIS leader Al-Baghdadi was once a super-high level prisoner of the US government. Despite the fact that the US had offered a ten million dollar reward for him, the Obama regime ordered his release in 2009.

    2) The Obama regime, with major support from Senate neo-cons John McCain and Lindsey Graham, gave hundreds of millions in military aid to Sunni Jihadists in Syria. Thousands of individuals receiving US aid are now members of ISIS. In fact, ISIS has even posted pictures of ISIS fighters with US Senator John McCain on the internet.

    3) Israel has directly aided Sunni Jihadists in Syria by bombing Syrian military assets during Jihadist attacks.

    4) The Israeli Prime Minister has reacted to the ISIS spearheaded Sunni/Shia Civil War in Iraq with borderline glee. The president of Israel has also suggested that a Sunni/Shia war is beneficial to the future of Israel.

    5) The US and Britiain provided Sunni Jihadists with Toyota trucks in Syria. When, an army of ISIS fighters rolled over the Syria/Iraq border it looked like a commercial for Toyota.
    None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

    Create an enemy near Israel's borders to protect it?
    Support a group dedicated to killing Americans?

    What possible motive could there be for such a plan?
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