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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I love how you throw Clinton in there, as if I give a f**k.
    Just trying to offer up some perspective.

    Halliburton's " No bid " contracts were a issue with the easlily entertained and manipulated crowd for years under Bush.

    If those people had bothered to do a bit of research instead of blindly buying into some nonsensical politically motivated rhetoric, they might have learned that LOGCAP has been around since the mid 80s.

    And it only became an issue when the left wing zealots started attacking Dick Cheney.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When documentation was found inside Iraq to support the claims of multiple international intelligence groups verifiying that Saddam was running terrorist camps.
    When the Iraqi people also gave testimony to it
    When the locations in question proved such facilities existed how is that drinking kool aid? To ignore such evidence would be the kool aid drinker
    Ah, I see you are unfamiliar with the phrase. You see, everything you have said would be charitably described as "party propaganda."


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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, I see you are unfamiliar with the phrase. You see, everything you have said would be charitably described as "party propaganda."
    How can it be considered propaganda when evidence was found to prove such a claim? Multiple international intelligence sources, Iraqi government documentation, and sworn testimonies from the Iraqi people.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Like Cheney Paul is a straight shooters. I like them both. If the bad guys want war then I want Cheney.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Like Cheney Paul is a straight shooters. I like them both. If the bad guys want war then I want Cheney.
    Wasn't one of the goals of OBL to get America entangled in foreign conflicts, thereby bleeding them of human and economic treasure? Seems like OBL found the perfect patsy in Cheney and the Bush admin.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes Rand Paul is playing politics. But while playing politics he and many forget one little important factor in regard to Cheney and Halliburton. Halliburton WAS the only damn company that had the means as far as equipment, mobility and manpower to handle the job in Iraq.
    Ummmm not no but HAIL no!

    After Kuwait the pre-Cheney Halliburton got scraps in the rebuild of the ruined oil fields. Schlumberger got the lion's share of contracts, Halliburton started a series of lay-offs after they failed to secure contracts. (Duncan OK was the original Corporate HQ of Halliburton before moving to Houston Tx and then the Middle East.)

    Post Cheney Halliburton got a huge contract they couldn't handle by themselves- they subcontracted a goodly portion out to other after taking a general contractor fee out- pure profit while others do the real work, some say substandard companies were hired to 'save' money- ie put more in Halliburton's pocket and there were 'minor' problems like electrocuted soldiers in their showers because the wiring ran under the shower tub.

    There was ZERO reason for a one corporation bid, the work could have been split up among the other companies from the git-go instead of giving Halliburton control over the process. At the very least it was lazy government at it's best, at the worst a payback for Cheney's company missing out on so much of Kuwait.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Like Cheney Paul is a straight shooters. I like them both. If the bad guys want war then I want Cheney.
    LOL, no way Jose! Cheney would be the guy seeing war as a board game he is playing instead of real men dying far from family and home for Corporate America. He would be the reckless Shavetail charging after a few renegades into a box canyon ambush, ummm if he ever got the cojones to actually risk more than a paper cut in defense of 'freedom'.

    Cheney is the tough guy who when his turn came to be forged in the crucible of war had 'other priorities' but later was 120% behind sending thousands of Americans into war to 'plant seeds' based on a Neo CON think tank paper.

    You can have him, I got ZERO use for him....

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Rand Paul is as nutty as his old man.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Just trying to offer up some perspective.

    Halliburton's " No bid " contracts were a issue with the easlily entertained and manipulated crowd for years under Bush.

    If those people had bothered to do a bit of research instead of blindly buying into some nonsensical politically motivated rhetoric, they might have learned that LOGCAP has been around since the mid 80s.

    And it only became an issue when the left wing zealots started attacking Dick Cheney.
    Halliburton was just the face of the problem, and you have to admit the optics couldn't be worse. CEO retires to become VP, $30+ million severance package, as VP is staunch promoter of war with Iraq, and then when we go to war, his former company gets $billions in no bid contracts. If that's not at least the 'appearance' of impropriety/corruption/crony capitalism, then I am not sure what impropriety, etc. would look like.

    Are you not concerned that 'war' now means that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of companies will enjoy far higher profits, bonuses, etc. if we send our kids off to get maimed and killed in wars? There was no downside to any of those companies for going into Iraq, and many fortunes were made because we did. The incentives are just horrific. The 'military industrial complex' and the problems identified by Eisenhower decades ago are simply real. You call the people who worried about that 'easily entertained.' I'd call anyone who wasn't concerned about Halliburton and hundreds of other companies ignorant, foolish, shortsighted, and/or just plain stupid.

    This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Rand Paul is as nutty as his old man.
    So, not nutty at all then?

    Seriously, arguments ad-hominem?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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