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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    While Clinton claims he was "so obessed" with Bin Laden, why wasn't he and his administration "obsessed" with security inside this country especially since the first WTC bombing occurred under Clinton in 1993 during the first year of his administration.

    How is it that all the terrorists involved in 9/11 from countries that had been already classified as concerns actually were awarded visas and the training to fly planes under Clinton? If they were so damn concerned where were the added security measures? I'll tell you where they were, up someone's butt. It's no different today under Obama. While we see terrorism grow and despots emboldened under Obama, Obama's idea of security is watching and collecting personal information on every citizen in this country while they leave our borders opened like a sieve for thousands of undocumented people pour through from God knows where. It puts the f in feckless.
    Why stop at Clinton? Al Qaeda was formed, funded and trained by the US under Reagan and GHWBush's watch. Some of the 93' WTC terrorists were actually trained on US soil long before Clinton took office......



    "....The US took a benign view of this at the time. The operation was, after all, assisting in the fight against Communism. As Mr Mohamed's presence showed, those associated with the US military were providing assistance to Al-Kifah. The recruits received brief paramilitary training and weapons instruction in the New York area, according to evidence in earlier trials, before being sent to fight with Mr Hekmatyar. Even Sheikh Abdel-Rahman had, apparently, entered the US with the full knowledge of the CIA in 1990.

    But by the mid-1990s, America's view of Al-Kifah had changed. It discovered that several of those charged with the World Trade Centre bombing and the New York landmarks bombings were former Afghan veterans, recruited through the Brooklyn-based organisation. Many of those the US had trained and recruited for a war were still fighting: but now it was against America. A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was "partly culpable" for the World Trade Centre bomb, according to reports at the time. There had been blowback.

    How and why did the people behind Al-Kifah turn against America? The US cut off funding in 1991 to Mr Hekmatyar, both because the Russians had withdrawn from Afghanistan and because it had at last started to realise that backing Islamic fundamentalism was perhaps not the brightest idea the CIA had ever hatched. America had also gone to war against Iraq in 1991, and stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, outraging Mr bin Laden and other devout Muslims....read...."
    Terror 'blowback' burns CIA - News - The Independent


    "Blowback."

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    9-11 had zip, zero, nada to do with Iraq. Our feckless leader is made that way by the war hawks and MIC trying to get funding for Wars, death, misery, and sympathy by misusing the Mass Media stenographers and Presstitutes to foment a false narrative. He may be a moron, but at least he is stopping wars and that is considered criminal by Republicans. It's time for Isolationist military policy and Internationally encompassing economic policy, althought I fear it is too late for that.
    I'm not saying 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq. But after the attack and our troops were in the theatre Iraq was seen not just by republicans but also democrats as a preventative measure. It is well documented Saddam was funding the terrorists. It is well documented that Saddam was offering money to families that would donate a child as a suicide bomber. It was well documented Saddam was affording the terrorists training camps inside Iraq. And the threat of chemical weapons and arms getting into the hands of terrorists was real and still is. Hell that despot used chemical weapons on his own people for crying outloud. How quickly people forget the number of soldiers and innocent Afghanis were lost or maimed due to suicide bombers? It is why when Bush took it to Congress they voted not once but twice an overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans to invade as a preventative measure. Were there miscalculations and mistakes made? Hell yes. You don't have to agree with any of it. It is real easy to be an armchair quarterback. But the reality we live today is during the last six years Obama has been weak on fighting terror while making false claims that we had decimated Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has been emboldened and the proof is Libya, Egypt, Nigeria, Syria, Yemen and Iraq is about to collapse. All this going on while we have thousands of troops still left in Afghanistan. Their threats have never stopped that they are coming for us. And Obama, his idea of security is a very porous border while spying on all citizens. Nothing spells feckless fail like the Boston Marathon bombers when it comes to this administration dropping the ball. Even Russia warned Obama's intelligence team about the Tsarnaev brother long before the attack. Terrorism shouldn't be a partisan issue. We can disagree on how to fight it but damit if what has been done the last six years isn't working, it's time for a reality check. And at the very friggin least the *))^^%& borders should be well secured!

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I have almost no respect for Cheney, but I don't think the decision to invade Iraq was because he'd make a few more $millions off his options. But Dick and George were oil people, from oil country, Dick was head of an oil supply company, and Iraq included VAST amounts of untapped oil resources. So everyone they knew would profit if the war went well. The point isn't that they sat around and said, you know, we want our oil buddies to get richer than they already are. The problem is when everyone you know profits off war, and the people who will pay are a bunch of kids who aren't YOUR kids, then it's awfully easy to justify war. There is no downside. Taxes didn't go up, but spending exploded, and all the friends of all the people in Washington with fat defense contracts saw a years long flood of money coming their way. It's hard to be principled against doing something when the doing of it is all good, and no bad for you personally.
    Taxes didn't go up, and the Treasury was still plundered by those on the receiving end of waging illegitimate wars brought under fraud.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why stop at Clinton? Al Qaeda was formed, funded and trained by the US under Reagan and GHWBush's watch. Some of the 93' WTC terrorists were actually trained on US soil long before Clinton took office......



    "....The US took a benign view of this at the time. The operation was, after all, assisting in the fight against Communism. As Mr Mohamed's presence showed, those associated with the US military were providing assistance to Al-Kifah. The recruits received brief paramilitary training and weapons instruction in the New York area, according to evidence in earlier trials, before being sent to fight with Mr Hekmatyar. Even Sheikh Abdel-Rahman had, apparently, entered the US with the full knowledge of the CIA in 1990.

    But by the mid-1990s, America's view of Al-Kifah had changed. It discovered that several of those charged with the World Trade Centre bombing and the New York landmarks bombings were former Afghan veterans, recruited through the Brooklyn-based organisation. Many of those the US had trained and recruited for a war were still fighting: but now it was against America. A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was "partly culpable" for the World Trade Centre bomb, according to reports at the time. There had been blowback.

    How and why did the people behind Al-Kifah turn against America? The US cut off funding in 1991 to Mr Hekmatyar, both because the Russians had withdrawn from Afghanistan and because it had at last started to realise that backing Islamic fundamentalism was perhaps not the brightest idea the CIA had ever hatched. America had also gone to war against Iraq in 1991, and stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, outraging Mr bin Laden and other devout Muslims....read...."
    Terror 'blowback' burns CIA - News - The Independent


    "Blowback."

    Do you draw any conclusions from the fact that AQ was created and used as early as the Reagan administration?

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes Rand Paul is playing politics. But while playing politics he and many forget one little important factor in regard to Cheney and Halliburton. Halliburton WAS the only damn company that had the means as far as equipment, mobility and manpower to handle the job in Iraq.
    I am certain that is a true statement, and have no problem with it.

    I have no objection to private companies working and completing government contracts in war zones, and elsewhere. During my time in Vietnam it was civilian companies that maintained the building I spent a lot of time in. Air conditioning. Those guys maintained out building and we would do anything for them to keep us cool.

    On our end, we provided them with the random helicopter ride somewhere they needed to go.

    And it took me about 2 months in country to realize that the US had no business there, that the peasants of Vietnam were no threat to my country on the other side of the planet. To realize there was a bit of a game being played.

    But I do object when those wars are brought under fraud.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why stop at Clinton? Al Qaeda was formed, funded and trained by the US under Reagan and GHWBush's watch. Some of the 93' WTC terrorists were actually trained on US soil long before Clinton took office......



    "....The US took a benign view of this at the time. The operation was, after all, assisting in the fight against Communism. As Mr Mohamed's presence showed, those associated with the US military were providing assistance to Al-Kifah. The recruits received brief paramilitary training and weapons instruction in the New York area, according to evidence in earlier trials, before being sent to fight with Mr Hekmatyar. Even Sheikh Abdel-Rahman had, apparently, entered the US with the full knowledge of the CIA in 1990.

    But by the mid-1990s, America's view of Al-Kifah had changed. It discovered that several of those charged with the World Trade Centre bombing and the New York landmarks bombings were former Afghan veterans, recruited through the Brooklyn-based organisation. Many of those the US had trained and recruited for a war were still fighting: but now it was against America. A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was "partly culpable" for the World Trade Centre bomb, according to reports at the time. There had been blowback.

    How and why did the people behind Al-Kifah turn against America? The US cut off funding in 1991 to Mr Hekmatyar, both because the Russians had withdrawn from Afghanistan and because it had at last started to realise that backing Islamic fundamentalism was perhaps not the brightest idea the CIA had ever hatched. America had also gone to war against Iraq in 1991, and stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, outraging Mr bin Laden and other devout Muslims....read...."
    Terror 'blowback' burns CIA - News - The Independent


    "Blowback."
    Go back a couple more years sugar to the Carter years where Carter USED the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets. One of those fighters of the Mujahadeen was Osama Bin Laden. Carter armed them, trained them and paid them well. However, after they beat the Soviets, the U.S. didn't stick around to help build a war torn country and people there struggled and evil folks with extremist ideas came into power. The U.S. cut and run. which resulted in bin Laden and his men eventually turning on their former allies using their U.S.-provided weapons, ideology, and training on new targets. The straw that broke bin Laden's back began when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in the early '90s and the Saudi dictatorship became concerned that its own kingdom might be next. Bin Laden was ready to fight Saddam but was very much against Americans getting involved. George H. Bush responded to the Saudi's fears by sending U.S. troop and Saudi leadership allowed U.S. troops to help. This frosted bin Laden's flakes. After Desert Storm, 1991, Osama and his followers responded with the first Trade Center bombing. I wonder down the road how many more like Osama will pop up out of Iraq people that are feeling that the U.S. cut and run on them too.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    I could have told him all that 13 years ago...

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Dick Cheney IS an evil war profiteer, so I don't see how this is controversial.
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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    This is a few months old, but wow, I've never seen a Republican tear into another Republican like this. Rand Paul goes a step further than most liberals and says that Cheney orchestrated the Iraq War so that Haliburton could reap the profits. I'm a bit out of the loop. Is Rand Paul a mainstream Republican, or is he a fringe crazy?

    Rand Paul in my book is a bit like his father, a Libertarian in sheeps, Republican clothing. Rand is more like the old Republicans who were isolationist, not interventionist. It use to be the Democrats were the interventionist, not the Republicans. But the Vietnam War changed all of that.

    I do not think Cheney engineered the Iraq war to make a profit. he just took advantage of it. But this reminds me of IKE's warning in his last speech to the nation, about the military industrial complex. I think a whole lot of our defense dollars goes to support our military industrial complex instead of our national security. Regardless of president, it seems they all are loath to cut the toys for the military, but more than willing to cut manpower in a heartbeat.

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