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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well let the finger pointing begin. You all didn't want to fight these assholes over there, well get ready to fight them here. It's coming.
    If its coming, its coming stronger because the Bush administration made the problem immeasurably worse. Seems to be a recurring theme.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    If its coming, its coming stronger because the Bush administration made the problem immeasurably worse. Seems to be a recurring theme.

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    Oh spare me your revisionist history lesson. On 9/11 we were attacked by militants that entered this country under Bill Clinton's watch and received their pilot training. This all happened after the first Trade Center bombing in 1993 under Clinton whose administration was well aware that the threat was very real. But don't let the facts get in the way of blaming Bush.

    Edit- you were for going after the bad guys before you were against it. You have used the war on terror as a political football and all those who went to fight the fight have now done so in vain. And after 6 years of Mr. Feckless in office we are now seen as weak and sitting ducks.
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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes Rand Paul is playing politics. But while playing politics he and many forget one little important factor in regard to Cheney and Halliburton. Halliburton WAS the only damn company that had the means as far as equipment, mobility and manpower to handle the job in Iraq.
    Only true if we went in to Iraq. The unnecessary WAR, Death, Chaos, and devastation was completely avoidable. These are the smartest and truest words I've ever heard Rand Paul say. He needs to be more like his father.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh spare me your revisionist history lesson. On 9/11 we were attacked by militants that entered this country under Bill Clinton's watch and received their pilot training. This all happened after the first Trade Center bombing in 1993 under Clinton whose administration was well aware that the threat was very real. But don't let the facts get in the way of blaming Bush.

    Edit- you were for going after the bad guys before you were against it. You have used the war on terror as a political football and all those who went to fight the fight have now done so in vain. And after 6 years of Mr. Feckless in office we are now seen as weak and sitting ducks.
    9-11 had zip, zero, nada to do with Iraq. Our feckless leader is made that way by the war hawks and MIC trying to get funding for Wars, death, misery, and sympathy by misusing the Mass Media stenographers and Presstitutes to foment a false narrative. He may be a moron, but at least he is stopping wars and that is considered criminal by Republicans. It's time for Isolationist military policy and Internationally encompassing economic policy, althought I fear it is too late for that.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh spare me your revisionist history lesson. On 9/11 we were attacked by militants that entered this country under Bill Clinton's watch and received their pilot training. This all happened after the first Trade Center bombing in 1993 under Clinton whose administration was well aware that the threat was very real. But don't let the facts get in the way of blaming Bush.
    Spare us YOUR revisionist history.


    "CLINTON: And I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people."


    The Bush administration wasn't interested in Al Qaeda and completely ignored Richard Clarke's 1/25/2001 memo "urgently" requesting a high-level National Security Council review on al-Qaeda which included two attachments: a declassified December 2000 "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects" and the September 1998 "Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," the so-called Delenda Plan, which remains classified under request with the National Security Council.....

    Bush Administration's First Memo on al-Qaeda Declassified

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    This is a few months old, but wow, I've never seen a Republican tear into another Republican like this. Rand Paul goes a step further than most liberals and says that Cheney orchestrated the Iraq War so that Haliburton could reap the profits. I'm a bit out of the loop. Is Rand Paul a mainstream Republican, or is he a fringe crazy?

    Wait, so you put up the biggest "no sh@t" comments possible, (Cheney war profiteer), and then ask if he's "a fringe crazy".

    Seriously, do you go to the insane asylum find the person rambling incoherently making feces art on the wall and ask if they are recovered?

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    As I have posted here in the past I do think Cheney was the (co)orchestrator in the Iraq invasion and I feel he knew that Iraq posed no serious threat to the US. Instead I feel his motives were other than national security. There is a documentary that interviews several people that work(ed) in the intelligence field at the time who were involved and they all made basically the same claims. That is the sources that were providing information on Saddam's weapons projects (WMD) had been deemed by the CIA and MI6 as unreliable and on some cases proved to be fabricated. These sources lost the attention of the intelligence community, in some cases for years, and were deemed to be of no value. Then the 911 tragedy occurred and they said the CIA suddenly, almost to the day, claimed these sources that were deemed unreliable and unfounded previously were now an impeccable source on impending threats from Iraq. To me it seems some people were simply looking for an opportunity and while the public was feeling vulnerable after the 911 attacks they pushed their agenda knowing the American people would be more excepting at that time.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well let the finger pointing begin. You all didn't want to fight these assholes over there, well get ready to fight them here. It's coming. With the condition of the borders and that jack hammer in office unwilling to order the borders be secured when border personal admit they only capture 1/3 of those who enter our country illegally, those SOB's are already here.
    Oh my- don't you think you are indulging in a bit of logical over reach? If you are so concerned about the border, you and all your like minded friends should give all your cash to Rep. Steve Smith. He has been trying for a couple of years to crowd source the 2 million $$ plus, per mile, funding needed to build a tall border fence.

    Apparently, the people who are so concerned about this don't put their money where there mouth is... and that includes paying for the devastation visited on Iraq thanks to neocon daydreams. Bush and Cheney sealed Iraq's fate when they allowed Bremmer to disband the Iraq army, purge the Ba'athists and install Maliki.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Spare us YOUR revisionist history.


    "CLINTON: And I think itís very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didnít do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bushís neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didnít do enough said I did too much ó same people."


    The Bush administration wasn't interested in Al Qaeda and completely ignored Richard Clarke's 1/25/2001 memo "urgently" requesting a high-level National Security Council review on al-Qaeda which included two attachments: a declassified December 2000 "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects" and the September 1998 "Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," the so-called Delenda Plan, which remains classified under request with the National Security Council.....

    Bush Administration's First Memo on al-Qaeda Declassified
    While Clinton claims he was "so obessed" with Bin Laden, why wasn't he and his administration "obsessed" with security inside this country especially since the first WTC bombing occurred under Clinton in 1993 during the first year of his administration. How is it that all the terrorists involved in 9/11 from countries that had been already classified as concerns actually were awarded visas and the training to fly planes under Clinton? If they were so damn concerned where were the added security measures? I'll tell you where they were, up someone's butt. It's no different today under Obama. While we see terrorism grow and despots emboldened under Obama, Obama's idea of security is watching and collecting personal information on every citizen in this country while they leave our borders opened like a sieve for thousands of undocumented people pour through from God knows where. It puts the f in feckless.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I have no doubt that Rand Paul is just playing politics, but even in that dirty game, from time to time a truthful statement comes out. That is the case here.

    The personification of a war monger and war profiteer is Cheney.
    Agreed. He's fringe, but he's not crazy... and he is correct on this point.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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