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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Rand is taking a page from the liberals here and floating out rhetoric that will help him in a run for President in 2016. This is the ground work. It worked for Obama and a NAP is a common libertarian core value so it's not too far off from his current political view, AND it happens to tap into populist views as well as the general malaise the country has with involving American military assets in yet more ME countries. It's a win win and Cheney I'm sure doesn't mind being the punching bag.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    When I got out of college I worked for Bechtel and at the time this kind of talk was common if I mentioned where I worked to someone. For some reason they thought there was some sort of conspiracy afoot, but they could never tell me who else the government should have hired for the job. It was just some stupid nonsense about no bid contracts and how terrible they are without even an ounce of understanding of what no bid contracts are, how they work or why they are used. They also didn't understand the relationship between Bechtel and the government and instead insisted that it was all special favors going on. They seemingly had no idea how much work went into building trust and exactly how long Bechtel has proven itself worthy to the government or the capabilities of a company like Bechtel. They thought for some reason any construction company can do what Bechtel does and didn't seem to understand how absurd that notion really was.

    It was not also uncommon for the discussion to shift to Cheney and Haliburton and as you would expect all of the above problems popped up again.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    The Dick Cheney/Rand Paul Feud Continues

    It's been easy for Cheney and his defenders to dismiss Paul's over-the-top, conspiracy-theory-like assertion. But on Fox News, the ex-veep, too, went too far. He maintained that he had no financial ties with Halliburton while he was George W. Bush's number-two and made a personal sacrifice by trading his CEO badge for a White House job. But that's not entirely accurate.

    As Politifact.com noted a few years ago, when Cheney became vice president, he pocketed a $34 million payout from Halliburton. In fact, because he probably sold stock options at an opportune time, he profited enormously because the stock price was at a high:

    It's not clear when Cheney sold his stock options, but it likely was within weeks of his being named to the ticket -- a period when Halliburton shares hit their 2000 peak, in the low-to-mid $50 range. By November 30, 2000, the stock had fallen to $33 a share. If he'd waited until then to sell, his payday would have been one-third lower, or roughly $14 million rather than $22 million.
    Moreover, when Cheney was veep, he continued to receive deferred payments from Halliburton. In 2004, the New York Times reported, "Mr. Cheney’s financial disclosure statements from 2001, 2002 and 2003 show that since becoming vice president-elect, he has received $1,997,525 from the company: $1,451,398 in a bonus deferred from 1999, the rest in deferred salary." And at that time, Cheney still held some stock options in the company.

    As vice president, Cheney repeatedly contended he had no continuing relationship with Halliburton. In 2003, he declared, "I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years." But a report issued that year by the Congressional Research Service undermined Cheney's claim. It found that if a public official retained unexercised stock options and collected deferred salary—as Cheney did then—the official had "retained ties" to the company.

    So when Cheney now says that he had nothing to do with Halliburton while he was vice-president, he is contradicted by the Congressional Research Service. Maybe he wasn't in contact with his old pals at the firm, but he continued to bank millions of dollars from the company as it obtained Iraq-related contracts from the US government.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm actually more of a liberal extremist...
    I'm an extremist extremist, so far to the left they call me 'Murcury.

    P.S. I should not be surprised some found a way to whine about Libruls in all this.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When I got out of college I worked for Bechtel and at the time this kind of talk was common if I mentioned where I worked to someone. For some reason they thought there was some sort of conspiracy afoot, but they could never tell me who else the government should have hired for the job. It was just some stupid nonsense about no bid contracts and how terrible they are without even an ounce of understanding of what no bid contracts are, how they work or why they are used.

    It was not also uncommon for the discussion to shift to Cheney and Haliburton and as you would expect all of the above problems popped up again.
    I have almost no respect for Cheney, but I don't think the decision to invade Iraq was because he'd make a few more $millions off his options. But Dick and George were oil people, from oil country, Dick was head of an oil supply company, and Iraq included VAST amounts of untapped oil resources. So everyone they knew would profit if the war went well. The point isn't that they sat around and said, you know, we want our oil buddies to get richer than they already are. The problem is when everyone you know profits off war, and the people who will pay are a bunch of kids who aren't YOUR kids, then it's awfully easy to justify war. There is no downside. Taxes didn't go up, but spending exploded, and all the friends of all the people in Washington with fat defense contracts saw a years long flood of money coming their way. It's hard to be principled against doing something when the doing of it is all good, and no bad for you personally.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Might I possibly interest you in some delightful Florida beachfront property?
    No thank you, currently looking in the Carolinas. Not sure what that has to do with your Darth Cheney comment. After Obama removed all the boots on the ground in Iraq, following his claims that we had decimated al Qaeda in his 2012 political campaign, since then there was Benghazi, then the kidnappings in Nigeria where the Nigerian leader called Boko Haram an al Qaeda operations and this administration dragged their feet even to recognize them as terrorists, and now Iraq faces collapse from a militant Issi directly linked to al Qaeda which pretty much makes Cheney's world understanding more realistic than Obama's.
    Last edited by vesper; 06-22-14 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No thank you, currently looking in the Carolinas. Not sure what that has to do with your Darth Cheney comment. After Obama removed all the boots on the ground in Iraq,
    Thanks to Maliki and Bush, not Obama.

    Since then there was Benghazi
    Which Bush contributed to by releasing Bin Qumu to Madman Gaddafi.

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    Re: So Rand Paul called Cheney an evil war profiteer

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Thanks to Maliki and Bush, not Obama.



    Which Bush contributed to by releasing Bin Qumu to Madman Gaddafi.
    Well let the finger pointing begin. You all didn't want to fight these assholes over there, well get ready to fight them here. It's coming. With the condition of the borders and that jack hammer in office unwilling to order the borders be secured when border personal admit they only capture 1/3 of those who enter our country illegally, those SOB's are already here.

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