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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    I think people seriously misunderstand the effect that this may have on organized crime. The mob and Catholic church have always been tied together. You'd be hard pressed to find any old school Italian mobster today who isn't overly religion. Even the younger generations pay homage. Though this won't necessarily end organized crime, it sure sets a precedent and definitive stance from the church on such issues. I think the pope should go a step further and deny them any rites. We'll see the mob retaliate in a few months for sure.
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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Crue, there is a "Cosa Nostra," even here in the United States.
    Nope, don't exist. Just ask them.

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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    lol

    Does anyone seriously believe that this has any effect whatsoever?!
    I think it might have a noticeable effect, actually. Many mobsters have a pretty screwy set of beliefs when it comes to the Church. The Church has always been a sort of moral safety net. They are essentially what I call "buffet Catholics" taken to the extreme. Many Catholics do whatever they want, take the parts of the faith they like and leave the rest behind, on the assumption that they will always get their last confession and last rights when they die and therefor be spiritually clean. Being excommunicated strips mobsters of that safety net.

    What will be more interesting is to see what happens in Italian Churches. What happens when an excommunicated mafioso gets in line for Communion, or sits down in a confessional? Will the Italian priests have the intestinal fortitude to deny them the sacraments?

    The closest analogy to this is if there was a standing, recognized, Caliphate who declared all Islamic terrorist to be apostates. it wouldn't end terrorism, but it would definitely have an effect.
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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think people seriously misunderstand the effect that this may have on organized crime. The mob and Catholic church have always been tied together. You'd be hard pressed to find any old school Italian mobster today who isn't overly religion. Even the younger generations pay homage. Though this won't necessarily end organized crime, it sure sets a precedent and definitive stance from the church on such issues. I think the pope should go a step further and deny them any rites. We'll see the mob retaliate in a few months for sure.
    Excommunication does sever them from the Church and the Church sacraments. It's hard for people without a religion to understand, or even non-Catholics to understand, but this announcement has the potential to be a hammer blow to the Mafia. So much of their culture is tied to their Catholicism and their erroneous belief in salvation through support of the Church. The Pope just erased this misconception in one definitive statement.

    The hard core mafia will just gravitate to Evangelical Churches that teach that believing in Christ is all you need for salvation.
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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Next stop, the Mexican drug cartels.
    Actually...consider them served...

    “Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the Mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated," Francis said.

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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Look out, folks. The Pope is gonna get whacked. But seriously, this has been a long time coming. Kudos to Pope Francis.

    Article is here.
    It would be a whole lot more meaningful if he excommunicated all the pedophiles and those within the church that aided and abetted them. As well as the bishops that filed bankruptcy so their precious archdioceses' wouldn't have their assets seized.

    Until then, yawn...

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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Excommunication does sever them from the Church and the Church sacraments. It's hard for people without a religion to understand, or even non-Catholics to understand, but this announcement has the potential to be a hammer blow to the Mafia. So much of their culture is tied to their Catholicism and their erroneous belief in salvation through support of the Church. The Pope just erased this misconception in one definitive statement.

    The hard core mafia will just gravitate to Evangelical Churches that teach that believing in Christ is all you need for salvation.
    This will be meaningful when the Pope gives the billions received from the people he is turning his back on. How much of the Vatican wealth comes from crooks? Lets see the Vatican disgorge this wealth as a sign of good faith.

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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    It would be a whole lot more meaningful if he excommunicated all the pedophiles and those within the church that aided and abetted them. As well as the bishops that filed bankruptcy so their precious archdioceses' wouldn't have their assets seized.

    Until then, yawn...
    You can't excommunicate a group of people when you have no idea who they are to begin with. He's a new pope and I doubt he's privy to many of the details of child abuse. I for one want to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for that type of issue to come up. The pope is dealing with things in terms of priorities. The many - still in litigation status - cases of child abuse aren't probably as pressing as the very real and historical problems the mob has caused in Italy.
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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can't excommunicate a group of people when you have no idea who they are to begin with. He's a new pope and I doubt he's privy to many of the details of child abuse. I for one want to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for that type of issue to come up. The pope is dealing with things in terms of priorities. The many - still in litigation status - cases of child abuse aren't probably as pressing as the very real and historical problems the mob has caused in Italy.
    Honestly, you're simply making meaningless excuses. There are many pedophiles that are known. There are many bishops that are known and there are many people within the church that are known to have aided and abetted. Your contentions are nonsense.

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    Re: Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters

    Oops, guess they forgot to pay their indulgences.

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