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ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons facility

Islamicists didn't start hating the U.S. just because we got involved over there.

Bull****!

Go back to the 1950 and you'll find that very few Middle-Eastern nations had America squarely on their radar. Fast forward to the mid-70's, early '80's and then track to the late '90's and you'll see that anti-American sentiments slowly began to increase over a 30 year period. It all came to a head on 9/11 and I fear that the Holy War the radial Islam wants in the modern military era will come...and it won't be pretty.
 
Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria | TheHill
Here is an interesting article relating to the topic of ISIS.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday that the Sunni militants taking over Iraq have quickly gained power because the United States has armed their group in Syria. *

“I think we have to understand first how we got here,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “We have been arming [the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria] ISIS in Syria.”



Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/internati...g-isis-in-syria-sen-paul-claims#ixzz35P5y9I55
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Really? Where are those weapons then? Oh let me guess you're going to go conspiracy theory and say Syria right?

You have not kept up with the news lately, have you sport?
 
Throwing the Pringles would probably be more dangerous..even in 2003.

It is really amusing how you liberals attempt to downgrade the wmd issue down to nothing if the weapons were not manufactured yesterday.
 
Islamicists didn't start hating the U.S. just because we got involved over there.

True...Radical islamics just hate anything not based on islam and a very strict version of sharia law.
 
Bull****!

Go back to the 1950 and you'll find that very few Middle-Eastern nations had America squarely on their radar. Fast forward to the mid-70's, early '80's and then track to the late '90's and you'll see that anti-American sentiments slowly began to increase over a 30 year period. It all came to a head on 9/11 and I fear that the Holy War the radial Islam wants in the modern military era will come...and it won't be pretty.

For the most part the anti American sentiments were there in that time period, the radical islamist bravery increased after an extremely incompetent US president by the name of Jimmuh Carter failed to respond forcefully to rising terrorism in the late 1970s.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

I don't know, I think I'd like to see dubya in an orange jumpsuit, with numbers stenciled on it.

For what ? Being a Competent and qualified Leader ?

For setting the bar too High for a Hr Senator with no qualifications ?

Because this false narrative of " Bush lied people died " doesn't measure up to reality.

Especially when you consider that Top Democrats were saying the same thing about Saddam Hussein back in the latw 90s.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

For what ? Being a Competent and qualified Leader ?

For setting the bar too High for a Hr Senator with no qualifications ?

Because this false narrative of " Bush lied people died " doesn't measure up to reality.

Especially when you consider that Top Democrats were saying the same thing about Saddam Hussein back in the latw 90s.

War crimes.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

War crimes.

What war crimes?

BTW, aren't you one of the cats that insisted that Bo Bergdahl is innocent until proven guilty?
 
Broken windows principle of law enforcement.

Violence and chaos in one part of the world causes more in other parts as time goes on.

Anyone that thinks violence around the world won't eventually cause problems on U.S. territory are hiding their heads in the sand.

Violence begets violence.
 
You have not kept up with the news lately, have you sport?

Oh I've kept up with the conspiracy idiots yes, I have. Again, so are you going to claim the ones in Syria are from Saddam. Let's see the proof son.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

What war crimes?

BTW, aren't you one of the cats that insisted that Bo Bergdahl is innocent until proven guilty?

You know, war crimes, for starters, how about torture - water boarding heh?

In MY America, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't know what your American laws state though.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

You know, war crimes, for starters, how about torture - water boarding heh?

In MY America, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, I don't know what your American laws state though.

Waterboarding isn't torture. So, in MY America, we prosecute people for ACTUAL crimes. I knew you couldn't come up with an actual war crime, but I had to ask.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Lol !!

Nonsense. WHAT " War Crimes" ?

Authorization of water boarding for one. Lying to congress and the American public for two.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Waterboarding isn't torture. So, in MY America, we prosecute people for ACTUAL crimes. I knew you couldn't come up with an actual war crime, but I had to ask.

Sure it is.

Waterboarding is a form of torture, more specifically a type of water torture, in which water is poured over a cloth covering the face and breathing passages of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning. Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage, and death. Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Authorization of water boarding for one. Lying to congress and the American public for two.

Without waterboarding Obama wouldn't have his one Success !

Killing OBL.

And NO, he didn't lie to the American people. That's nonsense.

We have a President who actually LIED and continues to lie to the American people now.

Where are your calls for his arrests ?
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Waterboarding isn't torture. So, in MY America, we prosecute people for ACTUAL crimes. I knew you couldn't come up with an actual war crime, but I had to ask.

The interesting thing is that many of the same people that argue that these interrogation methods are not useful are quick to argue that if Bo Bergdahl divulged any operational data to the Taliban it really isn't his fault because of the abusive interrogation methods used on him.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

The interesting thing is that many of the same people that argue that these interrogation methods are not useful are quick to argue that if Bo Bergdahl divulged any operational data to the Taliban it really isn't his fault because of the abusive interrogation methods used on him.

The stupidity of their logic, is that if torture didn't work, nobody would use it.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

You mean missiles. They were suitable for making missiles, not centrifuges.
:roll:

It's not and either/or proposition.

They were suitable for both missile casings and centrifuge rotors. That's why the UN categorized them as "dual-use" contraband.

THINK!
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Authorization of water boarding for one. Lying to congress and the American public for two.
lol what? waterboarding isn't torture and lying is now a WAR CRIME?!
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

:roll:
It's not and either/or proposition.
They were suitable for both missile casings and centrifuge rotors. That's why the UN categorized them as "dual-use" contraband.
THINK!
Nuclear experts said that the tubes were not suitable for the kind of centrifuge used in enriching materials for a nuclear bomb.
I can cite if you like.

Even from the beginning, our Dept of Energy said that the tubes wouldn't work for making a nuclear weapon.
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

Nuclear experts said that the tubes were not suitable for the kind of centrifuge used in enriching materials for a nuclear bomb.
I can cite if you like.

Even from the beginning, our Dept of Energy said that the tubes wouldn't work for making a nuclear weapon.
You are lying.

The experts merely said that they would need to be modified to use as centrifuge rotors.

They were contraband for a reason.

THINK!
 
Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

You are lying.
The experts merely said that they would need to be modified to use as centrifuge rotors.
They were contraband for a reason.
THINK!
If Iraq had the ability to correctly modify tubes for nuclear centrifuges, they would not have needed to order them from without.

Points for calling me a liar. Makes you look tough and no-nonsense.

Apparently, I mis-remembered the details. But all the same, the conclusion is that the tubes were not for Iraq's nuclear program.


Iraqi aluminum tubes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Department of Energy

Based on the reported specifications, the tubes could be used to manufacture gas centrifuge rotor cylinders for uranium enrichment. However, our analysis indicates that the specified tube diameter, which is half that of the centrifuge machine Iraq successfully tested in 1990, is only marginally large enough for practical centrifuge applications, and other specifications are not consistent with a gas centrifuge end use. Moreover, the quantity being sought suggests preparations for large-scale production of centrifuge machines, for which we have not seen related procurement efforts - and the tubes’ specifications suggest a centrifuge design quite different from any Iraq is known to have. ... While the gas centrifuge application cannot be ruled out, we assess that the procurement activity more likely supports a different application, such as conventional ordnance production. For example, the tube specifications and quantity appear to be generally consistent with their use as launch tubes for man-held anti-armor rockets or as tactical rocket casings. Also, the manner in which the procurement is being handled (multiple procurement agents, quotes obtained from multiple suppliers in diverse locations, and price haggling) seems to better match our expectations for a conventional Iraqi military buy than a major purchase for a clandestine weapons-of-mass destruction program. However, we have not identified an Iraq-specific, military, or other noncentrifuge application that precisely matches the tube specifications. [page 6]
 
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