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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    You've tested it and you know. Groovy.
    No Deuce is probably correct, this time. That stuff does have an expiration date as far as weaponization goes.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why would they publicize that?
    Why wouldn't they - didn't the administration at the time need support of WMD's? If the chemical weapons were old and as you say, lost their potency why not publicize it.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

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    No Deuce is probably correct, this time. That stuff does have an expiration date as far as weaponization goes.
    Anthrax expires? Really? Oh wait, that is a biological weapon. It's been a while since I had to keep up with things like anthrax and smallpox, etc. But, unknown to most people those in the American healthcare system have to at least do lip service to the signs and symptoms of the biological weapons.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Anthrax expires? Really? Oh wait, that is a biological weapon. It's been a while since I had to keep up with things like anthrax and smallpox, etc. But, unknown to most people those in the American healthcare system have to at least do lip service to the signs and symptoms of the biological weapons.
    Make your case.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Make your case.
    I was thinking of biological weapons as chemical weapons. Biological weapons would not expire because they are viruses and bacteria. Viruses and some bacteria can lay dormant for many many years, maybe even hundreds of years. If we are talking about manufactured chemicals, then, OK, they are likely expired. I don't know any more about chemicals than I had to learn for my nursing degree. But I do know a fair amount about biological weapons. Medical workers have to be ready to handle such an attack, and are trained for it. We also have to be 'fit tested' with a mask that will keep biological and chemical weapons out of our bodies. You put on the mask, and then they spray a stinky something or other. If you can smell it your mask is all wrong. You can't go back to the job until your mask keeps you from smelling the stinky stuff. That way you are safe. But bear in mind, I've been retired for a year. They were still doing this right before I retired.

    Agents considered for weaponization, or known to be weaponized, include bacteria such as Bacillus anthracis, Brucella spp., Burkholderia mallei, Burkholderia pseudomallei, Chlamydophila psittaci, Coxiella burnetii, Francisella tularensis, some of the Rickettsiaceae (especially Rickettsia prowazekii and Rickettsia rickettsii), Shigella spp., Vibrio cholerae, and Yersinia pestis. Many viral agents have been studied and/or weaponized, including some of the Bunyaviridae (especially Rift Valley fever virus), Ebolavirus, many of the Flaviviridae (especially Japanese encephalitis virus), Machupo virus, Marburg virus, Variola virus, and Yellow fever virus. Fungal agents that have been studied include Coccidioides spp..[23][24]
    Biological warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Biological weapons, though, are not without problems. First, there has to be a method of delivery which can be problematic. And of course such weapons can be degraded by chemicals, weather, sunlight, etc. But they can be very deadly. I have had some very dire scenarios played for me in training to handle casualties in biological warfare.

    I would consider it unwise to just blow off the possibility of such warfare should these agents fall into the hands of terrorists.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Nonsense. Iraq was incapable of producing anything that would last longer than a few months even if stored under optimal conditions (and they never were). The chemicals in those shells have been degraded to the point that a spritz of Windex would probably be more hazardous to your health and so they have been for decades. We found quite a few of these old, abandoned, and useless munitions.
    Making it up as you go along. Obviously the weapons are highly degraded today......not so much in 2003. And it is nonsensical to suggest they were unable to make anything that would last more then a few months. It's a certainty that the regime maintained them at least until the sanctions heat and then attempted to hide them. And it's beside the point what condition they are in now. The point is that all of you liberals have been claiming for 11 years that the damn stuff just did not exist. What was found was what was missing and unaccounted for. It was what the inspectors were looking for. You liberals will now have to adopt a new slogan. "Bush lied to get us into war" has just been disproven.

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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I was thinking of biological weapons as chemical weapons. Biological weapons would not expire because they are viruses and bacteria. Viruses and some bacteria can lay dormant for many many years, maybe even hundreds of years. If we are talking about manufactured chemicals, then, OK, they are likely expired. I don't know any more about chemicals than I had to learn for my nursing degree. But I do know a fair amount about biological weapons. Medical workers have to be ready to handle such an attack, and are trained for it. We also have to be 'fit tested' with a mask that will keep biological and chemical weapons out of our bodies. You put on the mask, and then they spray a stinky something or other. If you can smell it your mask is all wrong. You can't go back to the job until your mask keeps you from smelling the stinky stuff. That way you are safe. But bear in mind, I've been retired for a year. They were still doing this right before I retired.



    Biological warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Biological weapons, though, are not without problems. First, there has to be a method of delivery which can be problematic. And of course such weapons can be degraded by chemicals, weather, sunlight, etc. But they can be very deadly. I have had some very dire scenarios played for me in training to handle casualties in biological warfare.

    I would consider it unwise to just blow off the possibility of such warfare should these agents fall into the hands of terrorists.
    We're talking about WMDs which are all weapons designed to kill masses of people, other than convention TNT based bombs.
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We're talking about WMDs which are all weapons designed to kill masses of people, other than convention TNT based bombs.
    OK. Well, I can tell you that health care facilities were still preparing and teaching their people to deal with biological warfare and bioterrorism when I retired in May 2013. I don't know how to get you any of the official material because, of course, I no longer have access. But commercial courses are currently available and accredited by the ANCC:

    B4025 MRSA - A Health care and Community issue 1 $9.95 MRSA - A Health care and Community issue
    N1079 Bioterrorism and the Nurse's Response to Weapons of Mass Destruction 5 $29.95 Bioterrorism and the Nurse's Response to Weapons of Mass Destruction
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    Infection control departments of hospitals disseminate material on a fairly routine basis so clinicians will recognize signs and symptoms. Again, something I no longer can access. But the CDC remains current:

    Bioterrorism Agents/Diseases

    A to Z | By Category

    A

    Anthrax (Bacillus anthracis)


    Arenaviruses


    B

    Bacillus anthracis (anthrax)


    Botulism (Clostridium botulinum toxin)


    Brucella species (brucellosis)


    Brucellosis (Brucella species)


    Burkholderia mallei (glanders)


    Burkholderia pseudomallei (melioidosis)


    C

    Chlamydia psittaci (psittacosis)


    Cholera (Vibrio cholerae)


    Clostridium botulinum toxin (botulism)


    Clostridium perfringens (Epsilon toxin)


    Coxiella burnetii (Q fever)


    E

    Ebola virus hemorrhagic fever


    E. coli O157:H7 (Escherichia coli)


    Emerging infectious diseases such as Nipah virus and hantavirus


    Epsilon toxin of Clostridium perfringens


    Escherichia coli O157:H7 (E. coli)


    F

    Food safety threats (e.g., Salmonella species, Escherichia coli O157:H7, Shigella)


    Francisella tularensis (tularemia)


    G

    Glanders (Burkholderia mallei)


    L

    Lassa fever


    M

    Marburg virus hemorrhagic fever


    Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei)


    P

    Plague (Yersinia pestis)


    Psittacosis (Chlamydia psittaci)


    Q

    Q fever (Coxiella burnetii)


    R

    Ricin toxin from Ricinus communis (castor beans)


    Rickettsia prowazekii (typhus fever)


    S

    Salmonella species (salmonellosis)


    Salmonella Typhi (typhoid fever)


    Salmonellosis (Salmonella species)


    Shigella (shigellosis)


    Shigellosis (Shigella)


    Smallpox (variola major)


    Staphylococcal enterotoxin B


    T

    Tularemia (Francisella tularensis)


    Typhoid fever (Salmonella Typhi)


    Typhus fever (Rickettsia prowazekii)


    V

    Variola major (smallpox)


    Vibrio cholerae (cholera)


    Viral encephalitis (alphaviruses [e.g., Venezuelan equine encephalitis, eastern equine encephalitis, western equine encephalitis])


    Viral hemorrhagic fevers (filoviruses [e.g., Ebola, Marburg] and arenaviruses [e.g., Lassa, Machupo])


    W

    Water safety threats (e.g., Vibrio cholerae, Cryptosporidium parvum)


    Y

    Yersinia pestis (plague)
    CDC | Bioterrorism Agents/Diseases | Emergency Preparedness & Response

    That's about the best I can do.
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    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant - Worldnews.com

    Reportedly the ISIS has seized control of Saddam Hussein's best chemical weapons plant and it STILL has stockpiles of Sarin, VX, and mustard gas.

    What happened what we've been hearing about for 12 years about "Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq".

    Now, you can say "oh they're old" (20 years plus).

    Who gives a damn. Lots of old weapons still work fine. The U.S. was using bombs built in WW2 during the Vietnam War.

    The U.S. was firing 16 inch gun rounds from the Iowa class battleship forty years later in Desert Storm.

    At any rate, supposedly, Iraq had NO WMDs which means NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS. And in fact supposedly had NO ABILITY to build them.

    Lots of people owe Bush/Cheney a big apology.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Yeah, I thought of that just earlier today. Isn't that interesting?
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