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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The pro-war crowd mis-represented the assessment of how likely Iraq was to attack the US (or our interests) either directly or by proxy.

    Did you know that the US Intelligence Community said Iraq was not likely to attack us either directly or by proxy anytime in the foreseeable future?

    We went to war to prevent an attack which wasn't coming.

    Everyone who sold the war as a means of protecting the US from an attack from Iraq (directly or by proxy) is potentially a liar.
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    The Pro war crowd ?

    It was a bipartisan effort to go into Iraq.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    A couple of things:
    1) Lying to justify a war is not a crime and is amply precedented in U.S. history (James K. Polk as one example).
    2) Exaggerating the case for war is also not a crime nor immoral any more than a prosecutor emphasizing parts of their case against a defendant that support their guilt is not immoral or a crime.
    War is the most serious matter for a nation.
    It is indeed un-ethical to risk a nation, while expending that nation's blood and treasure, based on "mis-representations."

    I find it rather shocking that you see sort of behavior as morally sound.
    It's a fairly well established principle that gaining someone's consent via "mis-representations" is unethical.
    To each his own I s'pose.


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    3) Once again, the CIA Director George Tenet (a Clinton appointee with no loyalty to the Bush Admin.) exclaimed after a direct question from President Bush about the evidence in favor of WMDs that it was a "slam dunk". He repeated it.
    If your CIA Director says the evidence is a "slam dunk" then what was President Bush supposed to believe.
    He could have believed the National Intelligence Estimate put together by the US intelligence Community when it said that they had no reason to believe that Iraq was going to attack us directly or by proxy with WMD or conventional weapons. Even if Iraq had the WMD, the USIC was saying that Iraq had no intention of using the WMD (directly nor by proxy) against us or our interests.

    As I said before, the war was sold as protecting us from an attack from Iraq. But the best info at the time said that no such attack was likely.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Pro war crowd ?
    It was a bipartisan effort to go into Iraq.
    Not sure what your point is.
    Is you mind blown by my post's the lack of partisanship?

    "pro-war crowd" doesn't seem to exclude anyone based on their party affiliation.
    It seems to describe the folks who were promoting the war. That's how I meant it anyway.

    Can you re-phrase your question? Maybe I can give a better answer it if I hear the question phrased differently.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    A couple of things:

    1) Lying to justify a war is not a crime and is amply precedented in U.S. history (James K. Polk as one example).
    2) Exaggerating the case for war is also not a crime nor immoral any more than a prosecutor emphasizing parts of their case against a defendant that support their guilt is not immoral or a crime.

    3) Once again, the CIA Director George Tenet (a Clinton appointee with no loyalty to the Bush Admin.) exclaimed after a direct question from President Bush about the evidence in favor of WMDs that it was a "slam dunk". He repeated it.

    If your CIA Director says the evidence is a "slam dunk" then what was President Bush supposed to believe.

    First, NO one lied.

    The whole " Bush lied people died " false narrative was just partisan motivated rhetoric used by the Democrats to malign Bush.

    It only influenced and appealed to the same people who equated platitudes and bumper sticker slogans to Presidential qualifications in 2008.

    Morons

    Honestly, the Democrats from the late 90s into and upt to 2003 said he HAD WMD and was pursuing missle and nuclear capabilities.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Not sure what your point is.
    Is you mind blown by my post's the lack of partisanship?

    "pro-war crowd" doesn't seem to exclude anyone based on their party affiliation.
    It seems to describe the folks who were promoting the war. That's how I meant it anyway.

    Can you re-phrase your question? Maybe I can give a better answer it if I hear the question phrased differently.
    No, I just don't buy into generic and lazy descriptions like " the pro war crowd "

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know who Mail Online is, but I'm not buying it.
    A wise choice.
    ĎThis is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.í (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    there was also a lot of talk about Iraq possessing yellow cake uranium.
    And it did. The UN weapons inspectors confirmed that.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, I just don't buy into generic and lazy descriptions like " the pro war crowd "
    Feel free to enumerate them all by name in any post you wish to.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and what about the aluminum tubes?

    What about them? A shipment of the tubes were seized. And yes, they could have been used to make centrifuges.

    Just as Powell said.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant - Worldnews.com

    Reportedly the ISIS has seized control of Saddam Hussein's best chemical weapons plant and it STILL has stockpiles of Sarin, VX, and mustard gas.

    What happened what we've been hearing about for 12 years about "Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq".

    Now, you can say "oh they're old" (20 years plus).

    Who gives a damn. Lots of old weapons still work fine. The U.S. was using bombs built in WW2 during the Vietnam War.

    The U.S. was firing 16 inch gun rounds from the Iowa class battleship forty years later in Desert Storm.

    At any rate, supposedly, Iraq had NO WMDs which means NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS. And in fact supposedly had NO ABILITY to build them.


    The OP article had a link to their source and it pretty much says the opposite of what you're claiming.....



    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant | Stuff.co.nz


    Islamist militants in Iraq have occupied Saddam Hussein's former chemical weapons production facility, which contains a stockpile of old chemical weapon, the US government says. US military officials don't believe the militants from the group also known as ISIL would be able to create a new weapon from the stockpiles left behind at the Muthanna complex about 60 kilometres northwest of Baghdad, according to the Wall Street Journal....<snip>...

    The claim the former Iraqi leader possessed weapons of mass destruction and posed a threat to world security was the basis for the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.

    The weapons at Muthanna had been found by UN inspectors but were dismantled with chemical stocks militarily useless and closed off in bunkers.

    "The entire Al Muthanna mega-facility was the bastion of Iraqi's chemical weapons development program," the Central Intelligence Agency wrote in a document published in 2007.

    "During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, it amassed mega-bunkers full of chemical munitions, and provided Iraq with a force multiplier sufficient to counteract Iran's superior military numbers."

    "Two wars, sanctions and UNSCOM [United Nations Special Commission] oversight reduced Iraqi's premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full of destroyed chemical munitions, razed structures, and unusable war-ravaged facilities." .....read....
    The chemical plant is defunct and has been for several decades.


    Lots of people owe Bush/Cheney a big apology.
    They should be in prison.

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