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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The question still remains: Would you stand in a room where one of those munitions was opened?
    I wouldn't stand in a room when the local cops cleared out one of the hundreds of meth houses they'll find this year. Hope the meth cooks don't make a dirty bomb out of their old chemicals!

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They didn't say they were "useless period", they said they are not of "military value", which actually doesn't matter since nobody expects ISIL to use them for military purposes. "Military value" would mean that the payload would need to be in a functional delivery mechanism (rocket, mortar round, artillery shell) and of sufficient potency to be released in open air. That doesn't rule out use in subways or office buildings which are closed systems and non military.

    The question still remains: Would you stand in a room where one of those munitions was opened?
    That is a Condi Rice tactic and it begs the response: Would you go to the trouble of moving, absconding with, transporting, smuggling, reconstructing and deploying
    something of that low a value when for forty bucks worth of materials and a pressure cooker you can do so much more for so much less?

    So it sorta DOES rule out their use in subways or an office building...or a marathon.
    For much less effort, ordinary Iraqis who barely have high school chemistry chops, can make their own home brew explosives, and even use high tech triggers.
    If these were of ANY value whatsoever I bet they would have already found their way into a bazaar, a car, whatever.

    Just standing around and pitching stuff at the wall to see if it will stick?
    Why, what's the payoff?

    PS: And if they can't use high tech triggers, they can use a cellphone, or even a washing machine timer.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Cheney Feigned Ignorance on Yellowcake Claim | ThinkProgress

    On September 14, 2003, Vice President Dick Cheney appeared on NBCís Meet the Press to discuss the faulty pre-war evidence on Iraq.
    Here was Cheneyís response on the question of whether Iraq was trying to acquire uranium:

    I guess the intriguing thing, Tim, on the whole thing, this question of whether or not the Iraqis were trying to acquire uranium in Africa. Ö. I donít know what the truth is on the ground with respect to that. [Meet the Press, 9/14/03]



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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Didn't Obama tidy that up before he left?

    C'mon, enough of this mishegoss...

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant - Worldnews.com

    Reportedly the ISIS has seized control of Saddam Hussein's best chemical weapons plant and it STILL has stockpiles of Sarin, VX, and mustard gas.

    What happened what we've been hearing about for 12 years about "Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq".

    Now, you can say "oh they're old" (20 years plus).

    Who gives a damn. Lots of old weapons still work fine. The U.S. was using bombs built in WW2 during the Vietnam War.

    The U.S. was firing 16 inch gun rounds from the Iowa class battleship forty years later in Desert Storm.

    At any rate, supposedly, Iraq had NO WMDs which means NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS. And in fact supposedly had NO ABILITY to build them.

    Lots of people owe Bush/Cheney a big apology.

    What we owe Bush/Cheney is a couple of middle fingers. They lied us into a war in Iraq with the threat that Iraq was trying to develop nuclear weapons and that they had biological weapons. The nerve gas that they had used on the Kurds was not considered a "weapon of mass destruction" at least as far as the US was concerned. So, please, don't try to revise history to fit you little narrative.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    What we owe Bush/Cheney is a couple of middle fingers. They lied us into a war in Iraq with the threat that Iraq was trying to develop nuclear weapons and that they had biological weapons. The nerve gas that they had used on the Kurds was not considered a "weapon of mass destruction" at least as far as the US was concerned. So, please, don't try to revise history to fit you little narrative.

    Nonsense, they did not " Lie ".

    If they lied then so did the Democrats in the late 90s, and up to 2003.

    Obviously Saddam had WMDs

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    What we owe Bush/Cheney is a couple of middle fingers. They lied us into a war in Iraq with the threat that Iraq was trying to develop nuclear weapons and that they had biological weapons. The nerve gas that they had used on the Kurds was not considered a "weapon of mass destruction" at least as far as the US was concerned. So, please, don't try to revise history to fit you little narrative.
    Chemical weapons are part of the "NBC" group of weapons. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. Along with the hypothetical "dirty bomb" (Radiological) those are definitively considered Weapons of Mass Destruction

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nonsense, they did not " Lie ".
    If they lied then so did the Democrats in the late 90s, and up to 2003.
    Obviously Saddam had WMDs
    The pro-war crowd mis-represented the assessment of how likely Iraq was to attack the US (or our interests) either directly or by proxy.

    Did you know that the US Intelligence Community said Iraq was not likely to attack us either directly or by proxy anytime in the foreseeable future?

    We went to war to prevent an attack which wasn't coming.

    Everyone who sold the war as a means of protecting the US from an attack from Iraq (directly or by proxy) is potentially a liar.
    imho
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    I may be wrong.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    A couple of things:

    1) Lying to justify a war is not a crime and is amply precedented in U.S. history (James K. Polk as one example).
    2) Exaggerating the case for war is also not a crime nor immoral any more than a prosecutor emphasizing parts of their case against a defendant that support their guilt is not immoral or a crime.

    3) Once again, the CIA Director George Tenet (a Clinton appointee with no loyalty to the Bush Admin.) exclaimed after a direct question from President Bush about the evidence in favor of WMDs that it was a "slam dunk". He repeated it.

    If your CIA Director says the evidence is a "slam dunk" then what was President Bush supposed to believe.

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