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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I don't get it.

    1) People say the chemicals in those bunkers are degraded and useless.

    2) They also say that it would be too dangerous for ISIS soldiers to even go in those bunkers.

    3) How can the chemicals be both "degraded & useless" AND "too dangerous to handle" at the same time?
    The difference between being able to be fired into the air and go "KABOOM" and spread huge amounts of deadly chemicals, gas and what not over a very wide area
    resulting in massive numbers of casualties (that would be war ready weapons judged to be in active status) and a giant "Oh Sh!t!!" moment inside the bunker
    in which just enough of the bad stuff is released (again, inside the confines of the storage area) to render personnel dead.

    There, I fixed it! wiggumnose.jpg
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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Islamicists didn't start hating the U.S. just because we got involved over there.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant - Worldnews.com

    Reportedly the ISIS has seized control of Saddam Hussein's best chemical weapons plant and it STILL has stockpiles of Sarin, VX, and mustard gas.

    What happened what we've been hearing about for 12 years about "Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq".

    Now, you can say "oh they're old" (20 years plus).

    Who gives a damn. Lots of old weapons still work fine. The U.S. was using bombs built in WW2 during the Vietnam War.

    The U.S. was firing 16 inch gun rounds from the Iowa class battleship forty years later in Desert Storm.

    At any rate, supposedly, Iraq had NO WMDs which means NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS. And in fact supposedly had NO ABILITY to build them.

    Lots of people owe Bush/Cheney a big apology.
    Wait a minute here, the US had troops in Iraq for how many years? and Bush and the shooter didn't order our troops to seek out and destroy them? that's weird. Oh, that's right, our troops didn't secure any of Saddam's weapons, they let insurgents get their hands on them so they could use them against coalition forces, how could I forget that?

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

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    Yeah. We got that intel from the Germans, who had a source who had "worked" those facilities. We asked to talk to him ourselves so we could put him to the test (lie detector, human interrogation with control questions, etc), and the Germans told us he was virulently anti-American and so we couldn't talk to him. That turned out later to be a lie - no idea why they did that.
    You must be referring to THIS guy:

    Curveball (informant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service and the British Secret Intelligence Service questioning the authenticity of the claims, the US Government and British government utilized them to build a rationale for military action in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, including in the 2003 State of the Union address, where President Bush said "we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs", and Colin Powell's presentation to the UN Security Council, which contained a computer generated image of a mobile biological weapons laboratory.[2][5] They were later found to be mobile milk pasteurization and hydrogen generation trailers. On 24 September 2002, the British government published its dossier on the former Iraqi leader's WMD with a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured readers Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt".[6]
    On November 4, 2007, 60 Minutes revealed Curveball's real identity.[7] Former CIA official Tyler Drumheller summed up Curveball as "a guy trying to get his green card essentially, in Germany, and playing the system for what it was worth."[2]
    In a February 2011 interview with the Guardian he "admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war."[8]

    And the most amazing part of it is, the Germans continued to protect him!
    According to a Danish state TV documentary, DR1 Dokumentaren "Manden der lÝj verden i krig"[17] broadcast April 21, 2010, Curveball is still living in Germany under strong protection of the German police. Danish TV filmed Rafid on the streets and recorded clips of conversation with him, before he surreptitiously called the police and had the TV-crew banned from his neighbourhood.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    SALT lol, sounds more like someones father worked at a nuke plant..
    Wrong, sorry try again.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    What was the mission of coalition forces again? I've forgotten, oh, yeah, get Bin Laden, liberate the country from Saddam Hussein, secure and destroy wmd's, um, I think we forgot something. oh, mission accomplished.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What was the mission of coalition forces again? I've forgotten, oh, yeah, get Bin Laden, liberate the country from Saddam Hussein, secure and destroy wmd's, um, I think we forgot something. oh, mission accomplished.
    "but...but...but...Hussein doesn't have WMD! Bush Lied about that!"

    Those WMD were secured, until we gave the whole show away and let the Jihadists takeover.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Of course it has to be enriched. That requires, among other things, transforming it into uranium hexafluoride via a network of centrifuges.
    Our intel grasped that pretty far back and we also figured out that Iran was in the process of doing the same thing, only in the case of Iran they had
    actually begun real work...they actually had the centrifuges and they were operational. We unleashed the STUXNET virus which caused the centrifuges to overspeed, which is a severe hardware damage situation. Thus we rendered Iran's centrifuges unsalvageable.

    STUXNET either corrupted and changed the base parameters of the Variable Frequency Drives that drive the motors that drive the Centrifuges or it corrupted the control loop that monitors a variable or control point and then trasmits a signal back to the drive that controls the Frequency.

    The base parameters of a VFD are set before the drive is put into operation and generally include limits, like minimum output frequency, and Maximum output frequency and ramp up and down times.

    FVD parameters are adjusted for the application and the motor they're controlling.

    The output of the VFD or the speed of the Centrifuge is controlled by a closed loop control that monitors a variable like Temperature, or pressure or amperage and then transmits a analog 4-20 Ma or 2-10 VDC signal back to the VFD.

    Inherent control issues like hunting around the setpoint or overshoot can be further tuned by adjusting what's called a PID loop.

    Some additional parameters are alarm parameters, like Over Volt or Over Amp and those are set before the drive is put into operation.

    Any Alarm condition will immediately shut down the drive and the Centrifuge.

    Stuxnet must have overroad the analog input back to the drive and caused it to peg at 20 Ma or 10 VDC.

    But doing that would cause the motor to over amp, thus shutting down the drive before the centrifuge could overspeed.

    Stuxnet was brilliant but I would love to know more about it and how it bypassed all of the safety's and controls that keep that from happening.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "but...but...but...Hussein doesn't have WMD! Bush Lied about that!"

    Those WMD were secured, until we gave the whole show away and let the Jihadists takeover.
    Ask why the chemical weapons were not destroyed, when we were there.

    next......

    you're calling Bush a liar now. he admitted there were no wmd's, look on youtube for the video, it's there.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    That'd be the one.

    And the most amazing part of it is, the Germans continued to protect him!
    Yeah, I admit, I really don't get the Germans on this one.

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