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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    I'm curious as to how it is that terrorists now posessing chemical weapons somehow vindicates the very people most responsible for unleashing the chaos that made it possible?


    If the same people who unleashed this chaos were so certain about these chemical weapons, why were they not destroyed?
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize these weapons are obsolete. They no longer work! They are useless.
    Perhaps we can send you there to test them to see if they can harm anyone.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Way to step up! So you answer the question:



    Yes or no?
    My assumption is that the usable inventory would be less because chemistry.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    My assumption is that the usable inventory would be less because chemistry.
    Well the report claimed there were not WMD's found, so I can't see how any inventory would have existed at the time of the reports. If it's less that would mean the report is incorrect and there were WMD's found. If that is in fact the case that WMD's were found even just a few, why would they continue to exist? Wouldn't they have been destroyed once they were documented and found by this panel? Why would the US who invaded Iraq in 2003 and left in more or less control of the country leave even useless inventory of chemical weapons behind?

    It's not making sense to me.
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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In 2014? Hopefully yes.
    They our government has already admitted that and weapons inspectors in the past stated the exact same thing.

    10 years ago - much less so. Which we know now because one of them was used against us as an improvised explosive device with a gas element.
    One POS roadside bomb that caused no damage! Proof Iraq had a large quanity of WMDS and was a dangerous threat! War was worth it!

    Now, could they be fired through artillery tubes? Probably not. That doesn't stop them from being usable, however, as we found out. Allow the National Ground Intelligence Center Commander to elucidate:
    No. Not this report again. More old unusable weapons.
    "The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.

    "Last night, intelligence officials reaffirmed that the shells were old and were not the suspected weapons of mass destruction sought in Iraq after the 2003 invasion"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html

    "But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.

    He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.

    "It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.

    They were not maintained or part of any organized program run by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/weapons-found-in-iraq-old-unusable/


    "But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time.""
    Officials: We haven





    The argument that no WMD were found except for the ones that we found, but that they don't count, is a very poor argument.
    no its the correct argument. Even the Bush administration and the intelligence community admits we found nothing.

    You have went from the point of "Iraq wasnt invaded on a lie, it was invaded on faulty intelegence and there was no WMDS". Then I showed that the Bush admin only listened to what they wanted to hear and there was a lot of dissent against the official position of the Bush admin. To know you are saying "oh there were WMD's".


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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Perhaps we can send you there to test them to see if they can harm anyone.
    So do these unusable weapons magically work?


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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Oh yeah? How about this little gem at the end of the OP:



    I dunno about you, but that is pretty much telling. Seems that long after the truth has been revealed, there are those still trying hard to find justification.
    It's called revisionism and it is rampant in the case of GW Bush's record. It seems people think we will forget Bush's lies and blunders and magically he will no longer be the worst President in our lifetime. LOL

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So do these unusable weapons magically work?
    Why ask me? You're the expert.

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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Why ask me? You're the expert.
    No. I'm just quoting the experts.


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    Re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They did that survey report and addendum is from 2005. The CIA report you identified is from 2007. The date today is June 20, 2014. So you're claim then is the exact same chemicals and inventory exists. Is that your assumption given a 9 year old and 7 year old report?
    Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Saddam was deposed in 2003, his 'facilities' were searched VERY extensively looking for all those WMD Rummy claimed he could walk in and place his hand on once we invaded... and a very paltry few found back then.... the 'facilities' were razed- ummm so who would be building a new facility, and stockpile?

    I'd not be going out on a limb to say whatever is still in those bunkers are less than useless, and more of a danger to whomever would try to remove them from the bunkers than anyone they attempted to use them on.

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