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Thread: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    90% were usable - the yellow cake needed to be enriched but other than that the guy had the capabilities to make nuclear weapons.. Oh not to mention they found the technology to enrich yellow cake so.....

    I'm not the biggest Bush fan but the guy stopped something really bad from happening here.
    They found the technology? What did they find? Please clarify.
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Some have even gone so far as to state that he wanted everyone ELSE to also think he had a greater capability than he did, and that in the end it turned out that he apparently did too good of a job convincing some in the Bush administration who had been looking for a justification.
    Well, that's one of the analytical gaps we discovered later - it never occurred to anyone to consider what his motivations for running a deception campaign designed to threaten his neighbors might be.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    So far, out of all the reading I've done here, it looks like few if any have the slightest knowledge of what yellowcake really is,
    what it's risk factor is or what its potential dangers are.
    Did I hallucinate or did someone mention pulling into a harbor with a dirty bomb made of yellowcake?
    So far back I wonder if I could find it now.

    Did someone actually utter that? Please tell me that they didn't.
    If I WASN'T hallucinating, then I would like a rough description of how such a yellowcake dirty bomb would be constructed, or how it would be deployed, or
    how it would be expected to work. Any one or all three, and I am not interested in accurate engineering descriptions, just a general theory will do fine.
    Enriched?

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    They found the technology? What did they find? Please clarify.
    It's there, it just needs to be built...

    You claiming Iraq or any nation in the Mid East lacks the hardware to make a bomb?

    Probably not against the US but that doesn't mean they cant use it against others in the region or use it as a bargaining chip while Michelle eats her ****ing hamburgers.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Good point - the hermit kingdom is also nuts, though in a more traditional, terrifying, autocratic god-king dictatorship sort of way. I honestly have no idea how we are going to deal with those people when and if that government ever collapses.
    Absolutely NO argument there whatsoever.
    I didn't lose a wink of sleep worrying about the dangers of a Saddam presence but I've lost tons of sleep wondering about
    a nation of 23 million mentally ill fundamentalists (ahhh but I repeat myself!) living in a true cult of personality, worshipping a LIVING GOD who does indeed possess functional nuclear weapons with the very real and functional range needed to strike the US or US interests and allies.

    I suspect we have a good many scenarios and plans for dealing with them. I shudder to imagine what most of them are and I suspect most of them involve
    complete and utter destruction, the likes of which would surely mean extended collateral damage to surrounding areas and the loss of tens of millions of innocents in neighboring countries.

    And of course the default plan, which is to just hope China keeps them in check.
    Which is purely a matter of convenience to China and China only, and the moment it becomes less convenient for China, China will do an about face.
    Will we be standing there with our thumbs up our keisters or will we have the stomach to do what is thought to be unthinkable?
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah right - smart people can put them back together - I could.

    The real cost is assembling these weapons - not reassembling the weapons.

    Do you not understand that?
    No one gets to make a statement like "Yeah right - smart people can put them back together - I could."
    And not be required to submit demonstrable proof to that effect.

    I'll just say that I don't believe you until I see proof, mmmkay?
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    No one gets to make a statement like "Yeah right - smart people can put them back together - I could."
    And not be required to submit demonstrable proof to that effect.

    I'll just say that I don't believe you until I see proof, mmmkay?
    So basically you want to know how to build a nuclear weapon....

    I'll tell you and you will kill yourself doing it but....

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm smart enough to put something back together - especially with directions. However, that is not the point.

    Uranium is easy - it's **** - so is enriching it if you're a ****ing Jihad terrorist that doesn't give a ****, a monkey could do that. Other weaponry takes skill but it has already been manufactured and putting together is nothing for the right guy.

    ****, I'm sure a gear-head could build a nice ride out of a junk yard but can that gear-head actually mold the parts for that car? NO but the analogy here is that the parts have already been molded - they've been produced and they just need to be reassembled NOT created - understand?

    It's no different than building an IKEA product - more complicated - yes, but no different.
    Someone in this thread, I won't say who, had a father who was directly involved with nuclear weapons, their manufacture, their testing, (both pre and post test ban treaty) weapons effects, nuclear hardening, pulsed power, both SALT Talks programs, thermal X-ray lasers, and global development of early fusion power projects.

    That someone is looking at your statement with a rather jaundiced eye because while that person does not possess his father's level of acumen in the field, he's also not that stupid and still has access to enough materials that he could ask some very embarrassing questions.

    Is this what you really want?
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yellow cake doesn't make a very good 'dirty' bomb
    It doesn't make ANY kind of dirty bomb, at all...ever.
    You run more risk futzing around with the lighting elements of some old thorium laced Coleman lantern wicks
    or some old Thorium coated photo lenses.
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    Faraday Cage is too difficult too?
    Explain what a Faraday Cage does.
    If you use Wikipedia, I will know instantly.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
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