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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    A laundry list of breaches of the 1991 cease fire agreement were the justifications for a continuation of war started in 1990.

    You are misrepresenting the case that was made.
    That's really not true. The war was sold to the American public based on WMD, the fear of another 9/11, only this time with chemical/biological/nuclear weapons. I remember the Powell presentation....

    Ladies and gentlemen, these are sophisticated facilities. For example, they can produce anthrax and botulism toxin. In fact, they can produce enough dry biological agent in a single month to kill thousands upon thousands of people. And dry agent of this type is the most lethal form for human beings.

    By 1998, U.N. experts agreed that the Iraqis had perfected drying techniques for their biological weapons programs. Now, Iraq has incorporated this drying expertise into these mobile production facilities.
    Etc. Pages of that.

    Yeah, sure, the formal declaration of war contained all the breaches, etc. but really no one outside the State Dept or UN cared or cares about violations of UN agreements or terms of a ceasefire.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You could do no such thing.

    You clearly show with your posts a distinct lack of skills needed to disseminate information effectively in any way, shape or form on even the most basic of subjects and concepts that the idea of you being able to reassemble complicated chemical weapons systems is not even off the deep end, it's off the deep end, the wharf and even completely losing sight of the shoreline.

    When you've demostrated the ability to use basic comprehension, we'll discuss your chemical weapons prowess.
    Well that is your opinion, however I was not talking about chemical weapons which can be made with basic chemicals.... I was talking about uranium, and how to reassemble a weapon that was disassembled.

    My basic point was that the problem of building a weapon is the cost - but if you already have the parts then you can reassemble the weapon...

    If you disagree with that than you may as well disagree with basic logic...

    Now if you want to talk about chemical "weapons" I would love to have that debate but I'm not going to give away too much knowledge for simple reasons.

    Hell, I'm really not even comfortable talking about the subject unless it's political.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So instead of backing up anything you are just going to compare it to IKEA!
    now i have seen it all. WMDs=IKEA furniture!
    If you have the parts - yes it's like building IKEA furniture if you're an engineer or have some background in engineering.

    You do realize a 15-year-old build a nuclear reactor in his shed right? (which was stupid btw because he almost died).

    If you have the right parts for a weapon - there will always be someone around to put it back together...... Someone built it didn't they? so what makes you think for a second someone couldn't rebuild it?

    Don't confuse engineer or design with build either...

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    Re: ISIS in Iraq seizes control of Saddam Husseinís chemical weapons facility

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are rumors that elements of the rebels used CW against citizens in Syria and tried to blame Assad. [to encourage strikes from the West] If true, they know how to use them.

    Although Syria seem to fess up by agreeing to destroy their stockpiles.

    Tell me who to believe?
    You mean the alqueada people posted VIDEO OF THEMSELVES LOADING AND LAUNCHING THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS so they could blame Assad.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Hell yeah they found yellow cake and progressives say "well it wasn't enriched" really? then what the hell do you need yellow cake for? *crickets* on their part.
    No, the yellowcake was part of their nuclear energy program which had ended a over a decade before the war. The Israelis and the U.S. bombed those programs out of existence by 1991.

    Saddam was planning to make nuclear weapons or dirty bombs and probably give them to terrorists to use against the US, use them himself or use them as a bargaining chip to get something....
    Yellow cake doesn't make a very good 'dirty' bomb, and there is no evidence for the rest.

    Not only that but I will bet anything in 20 years some dude on a camel will just be hopping along and fall into a military stockpile of WMD's and be like "WTF."

    Hell, they're still finding crazy weapons and artifacts from Nazi Germany all these years later - bunkers, weapons, art, experimental technology etc.
    But the claim was the programs were ongoing, military grade weapons existed, were being sent to the field, moved about, etc. Reread the Powell presentation.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    This is called moving the goal post.
    A weapons PLANT is not the same as actual weapons. We occupied the country for 9 years do you think we left actual WMD's sitting there all that time?

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, the yellowcake was part of their nuclear energy program which had ended a over a decade before the war. The Israelis and the U.S. bombed those programs out of existence by 1991.



    Yellow cake doesn't make a very good 'dirty' bomb, and there is no evidence for the rest.



    But the claim was the programs were ongoing, military grade weapons existed, were being sent to the field, moved about, etc. Reread the Powell presentation.

    You actually believe that?

    Just like the North Koreans want nuclear power right and Peanut Boy and Rodman are just trying to help them when they store books (if they're lucky to have some propaganda) in their ****ing fridges?

    Believe what you want tho..

    Evolution is true but reverse engineering is not, and building **** doesn't happen unless you designed the product.

    Let me guess building a Tesla Coil or Faraday Cage is too difficult too?

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You actually believe that?

    Just like the North Koreans want nuclear power right and Peanut Boy and Rodman are just trying to help them when they store books (if they're lucky to have some propaganda) in their ****ing fridges?

    Believe what you want tho..

    Evolution is true but reverse engineering is not, and building **** doesn't happen unless you designed the product.

    Let me guess building a Tesla Coil or Faraday Cage is too difficult too?
    I honestly have no idea what your point is.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I honestly have no idea what your point is.
    Of course you don't.

    What you want to hear is that Saddam was awesome and that Iraq having WMD's was a lie.

    I'm not a Bush fan but I know that is epic bull****..... How can someone gas the Kurds on live TV then turn around and tell the world he has no WMD's then they're found, no one cares because they want to believe in their political fantasies, then turn around and make excuses when rebels start using them?

    Yeah that is pretty ****ed up, yet some call me delusional and stupid?

    And how does my post relate - pretty simple - you claim one cannot rebuild a weapon or create one - yet I call bull**** and say it's happened numerous times and that I can throw lighting bolts at people if I wanted to just to prove that fact.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    So Bush Inc tried to eliminate the threat of WMDs and failed miserably. Doesn't surprise me at all.

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