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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A nuclear weapon, yes. A dirty bomb they already had all the materials necessary for.
    again the administrations was claiming that iraq's possession of aluminum tubes and amounts of yellow cake uranium was sufficent evidence for the united states to mount preemptive invasion of the country.
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Yes, weapons grade CBR Munitions have to be properly maintained, stored and the like. Yes, they lose "Viability" as military weapons.

    Now, get a crate of old Chemical Weapons, put in on a ship... say one bound for NY Harbor, then detonate it. Sure, it wouldn't have the same effect as if it were lobbed from Artillery fire or launched from the crude scud's Saddam had.

    I'm sure that'd be a small consolation to the people of NY that the terrorist used old, less effective chemicals.

    (P.S. You are free to insert any target civilian city... Paris, London, Tel Aviv...)
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A nuclear weapon, yes. A dirty bomb they already had all the materials necessary for.
    So what dirty bombs were found made from that particular stockpile of yellowcake?
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The administration claimed that Iraq had an ongoing Biological production program, an ongoing Chemical production program, and was seeking to establish a nuclear production program. What we found was no biological program at all, legacy chemical weapons, and enriched uranium and radioactive materials that could be used in dirty bombs. The big mushroom cloud may have been the item that captured everyone's attention (or yours, for me it was the bio stuff), but it was hardly the extent of the Administrations' WMD argument.
    the nuclear weapons claim was what that the "Main stream media" focused on.
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    again the administrations was claiming that iraq's possession of aluminum tubes and amounts of yellow cake uranium was sufficent evidence for the united states to mount preemptive invasion of the country.
    That is incorrect - the administration constructed a three - tiered argument for invading Iraq; only one of which was his possession and seeking after WMD's, a case which in and of itself extended well beyond aluminum tubes and Nigerien yellow cake.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll play devil's advocate here... but what exactly do you have in your fridge that is... comparable to sarin gas.... and why?
    I was being facetious. The notion that 'very dangerous' is the new low standard for an invasion just strikes me as foolish. We're not even talking military grade stuff.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the nuclear weapons claim was what that the "Main stream media" focused on.
    I don't remember that obsession to the extent that the other material was drowned out (I remember, in fact, quite a lot of argument about what was better for the Iraqis), but if they did so in your area, well then that is their fault.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So what dirty bombs were found made from that particular stockpile of yellowcake?
    None - I'm sorry if I spoke awkwardly there - they had the materials necessary. They had not constructed any.

    We thought Iraq had an ongoing production program - they didn't. They probably would have stood one back up if we'd decided well what the hell and dropped pressure, but as it was, Iraq was generally in "freeze" mode on it's WMD's. The extent to which Saddam was fully aware of that is debatable, but it seems he did think he had a greater capability than he did.

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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    None - I'm sorry if I spoke awkwardly there - they had the materials necessary. They had not constructed any.

    We thought Iraq had an ongoing production program - they didn't. They probably would have stood one back up if we'd decided well what the hell and dropped pressure, but as it was, Iraq was generally in "freeze" mode on it's WMD's. The extent to which Saddam was fully aware of that is debatable, but it seems he did think he had a greater capability than he did.
    and does this somehow justify the invasion of the country?
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    re: ISIL seizes Saddam's chemical weapons plant

    You might want to check that 9 billion number--more like two trillion and counting.
    As for down here, the over 30,000 wounded have been a huge extra burden to the already burdened VA, certainly no fault of theirs.
    Yet we still have trouble getting a VA bill without filibuster.

    With the next generation of Veterans ready to be added to Defense Dept. pensions,
    more unintended consequences from the Bush/Cheney war of choice .
    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Do you honestly think that one warehouse containing weapons -- most likely donated to Iraq by the US to fight Iran -- was good enough reason to:

    1) Invade a country
    2) Spend 7+ Billion dollars
    3) Loss of 100,000+ lives
    4) Cause a country to be on the brink of civil war
    5) Create tons more animosity towards the West

    Seriously, do you think it was worth it?

    Cheney et al. are lucky they are not rotting in prison, and you want an apology? How ****ed up is that!
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