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Immigrant Children Raped, Punched, Kicked in Border Patrol Custody: Complaint

You address it, I'm not interested.

I've got dogs to walk and supper to eat.
 
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shrubnose said:
While I believe for a lot of reasons that the USA should exercise strict control over all of its borders what sends chills down my spine is the xenophobic attitude of some people on the far right in the USA
I'm not going to name any names, but I will say that some of those people cross over the line into racism and bigotry.
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Your spine should unchill. A country protecting its borders is not exercising bigotry or xenophobia.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not insinuating anything, I'm flat out saying that a small minority of the people who are opposed to various types of immigration are racists and bigots.

Let the chips fall where they may, I don't bite my tongue.

If what I say upsets someone, maybe they have a problem.
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I doubt this foolishness upsets anyone, though it might amaze.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You and I are both using language to frame our viewpoints on those who come to this country. If your use of language is intended to condemn those people and my use of language is intended to accept them, which of us is in the right?
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No, I am using long time terminology that has been used for hundreds of years where you are using terms incorrectly and using the recently made up garbage. Migrants have always been a work visa class characterized by the fact that they return home on a seasonal basis.

Look, you got caught playing the word game and you know it. Now you're clinging in hopes someone will believe it. No one is buying it.
 
Grant said:
Your spine should unchill.
A country protecting its borders is not exercising bigotry or xenophobia.
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I didn't say that it was and I support the USA protecting its borders.

But none of that changes the fact that a small percentage of the US population are racist, bigoted, xenophobes.
 
shrubnose said:
You address it, I'm not interested.

I've got dogs to walk and supper to eat.
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So, you CHOOSE to remain ignorant and prefer to think that people are bigots instead of looking at the issue rationally? Okay, then. I think it's shameful that some people would rather look at their fellow human beings in the WORST possible light instead of trying to understand the reality of the situation.

Enjoy your sourness.
 
shrubnose said:
I didn't say that it was and I support the USA protecting its borders.

But none of that changes the fact that a small percentage of the US population are racist, bigoted, xenophobes.
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Yep. just like any other country.

If the children had not crossed the border illegally, there would be no issue.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not insinuating anything, I'm flat out saying that a small minority of the people who are opposed to various types of immigration are racists and bigots.

Let the chips fall where they may, I don't bite my tongue.

If what I say upsets someone, maybe they have a problem.




"All of the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." ~ Pat Paulsen
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Well, to be fair, a small minority of the open borders set only advocate what they do because they are guilty about being closet racists.
 
Some people can accept reality, some reject it.
 
clownboy said:
Well, to be fair, a small minority of the open borders set only advocate what they do because they are guilty about being closet racists.
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Correct, I don't waste much time on them, I have bigger fish to fry.

In any case they're a shrinking minority.
 
mike2810 said:
Yep. just like any other country.

If the children had not crossed the border illegally, there would be no issue.
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It's funny how others complain about the US playing "daddy" to the world, yet that is exactly what they expect from us when in certain situations. We are NOT the daddy of Mexico's or Guatemala's babies. Those children should be sent back from where they came. We should have ZERO tolerance for illegal immigration.
 
SgtRock said:
Cartels are using kids as a diversion to tie up the BP while they move their poison across. But of course the BP are the bad guys.
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Has it occurred to you that many BP agents work for the cartels? :rolleyes:
 
shrubnose said:
ocean515 said:
What alarms me is people who are full of racial hatred and bigotry.

Fortunately they are a minority of the population and will never control the USA.





"At the heart of racism is the religious assertion that God made a creative mistake when He brought some people into being." ~ Friedrich Otto Hertz
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Well then, I would expect you shouldn't expend much energy or concern on them. I agree, they will never control the USA.

On the other hand, like me, the majority of people are alarmed at this invasion, and the additional economic harm these foreign countries are trying to inflect here.

Perhaps you could see past your need to label people who have such concerns, and consider the reality of what is being encouraged.
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ChrisL said:
It's funny how others complain about the US playing "daddy" to the world, yet that is exactly what they expect from us when in certain situations. We are NOT the daddy of Mexico's or Guatemala's babies. Those children should be sent back from where they came. We should have ZERO tolerance for illegal immigration.
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I agree. Further more the US should bill the country of origin for the shipping back, care while in the US, and labor costs of the illegal alien detentions

What is also concerning is any of the females who are 9 months pregnant who may give birth while in custody in the US.
 
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solletica said:
Has it occurred to you that many BP agents work for the cartels? :rolleyes:
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No, not really. Perhaps there are isolated cases of corruption, but I've known two Border Patrol guys, one since college, and they are honorable. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt until evidence is produced that ties the BP to Los Zetas et al.
 
Grant said:
And radishes yet another.

There has been no evidence of rape, or any mistreatment of these children. In fact, especially in the Churches, there is a lot of aid being given.
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There are allegations of rape. I'm surprised that you don't see how this reflects negatively on the administration. Normally you're the first one to jump on the "Blame Obama" bandwagon regardless of evidence.

The point is that deporting them within the law is all fine and good. Rape is not. I'm not surprised that the point sailed right over your head.
 
shrubnose said:
How do you get babies without parents?

Fill us in.
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I am not going to accuse Latinos of not being good parents as a group but anybody that has been around Mexican they know that the men have a machismo factor to the umpteenth degree. They pride themselves in dry humping their women and not caring if they like sex or not. They pop out babies and cover them up under blankets, even over their head, as they sit in strollers all day not getting any human interaction.

And you are changing the argument. It was about parenthood... not making babies. Nice try though... albeit intellectually dishonest.
 
shrubnose said:
easons that the USA should exercise strict control over all of its borders what sends chills down my spine is the xenophobic attitude of some people on the far right in the USA

I'm not going to name any names, but I will say that some of those people cross over the line into racism and bigotry.
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Of course some are racists but the vast majority are concerned for economic reasons... but you are free to Appeal to Pity if you like.

Appeal to Pity

An appeal to pity attempts to persuade using emotion—specifically, sympathy—rather than evidence. Playing on the pity that someone feels for an individual or group can certainly affect what that person thinks about the group; this is a highly effective, and so quite common, fallacy.

This type of argument is fallacious because our emotional responses are not always a good guide to truth; emotions can cloud, rather than clarify, issues. We should base our beliefs upon reason, rather than on emotion, if we want our beliefs to be true.

Logical Fallacies» Appeal to Pity
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not insinuating anything, I'm flat out saying that a small minority of the people who are opposed to various types of immigration are racists and bigots.

Let the chips fall where they may, I don't bite my tongue.

If what I say upsets someone, maybe they have a problem.




"All of the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." ~ Pat Paulsen
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Why do you keep arguing this line of thinking unless you are implying that it applies to the arguments of those debating here?

If you aren't implying that then STFU about it already... we know, there are racists out there that hate with hatefully hateful HATE! HATE!

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ChrisL said:
Then you are wrong. There are certainly MANY valid reasons to oppose illegal immigration. Health issues and monetary issues being just a couple. The very idea that people who oppose it are bigots is actually quite ignorant IMO.
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Don't squash his only attempt to refute logic. The trump to logic is to be overwhelmed by emotion. NOTHING can change an emotionally charged person's view.
 
shrubnose said:
That's your opinion, which you are entitled to and I will ignore.

It's a sad fact that the USA still has a few racists and bigots.

Some of them post comments all over the internet, including on this forum.
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Oh, there you go. I should have read a few more posts... I knew you were implying that. Go ahead... name some names, please.
 
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shrubnose said:
You address it, I'm not interested.

I've got dogs to walk and supper to eat.

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I didn't say that it was and I support the USA protecting its borders.

But none of that changes the fact that a small percentage of the US population are racist, bigoted, xenophobes.
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8 minutes later... damn, that was a fast walk and eat. Oh, you were just being intellectually dishonest again? Got it. :lol:
 
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