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Immigrant Children Raped, Punched, Kicked in Border Patrol Custody: Complaint

shrubnose said:
Which should probably be followed by a trial based on what I have read about how these children were mistreated and not taken care of properly by those who were well paid to do that.
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Which should be followed by a trial if sifficient evidence exists.
 
shrubnose said:
From whatever.

There are lots of bad things going on all over this world.

And the USA appointed itself as the World Police a good while ago, so it needs to step up and do it's job.

Or shut up and get out of the way.
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They could be refugees from Socialism.
 
apdst said:
They could be refugees from Socialism.
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Whatever they are refugees from someone needs to answer a lot of questions about the very poor care that they have been receiving in the USA.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Source: Immigrant Children Raped, Punched, Kicked in Border Patrol Custody: Complaint | NBC 7 San Diego


There have been many complaints pied up over time with these types of accusations. I think an investigation needs to brought forward to this, and that the way we treat immigrants while in custody needs some major reform. If any of these accusations show to be true, then we need major overhaul in how we detain undocumented immigrants. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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I find this hard to believe. And frozen sandwiches? Maybe the BP has a freezer with sandwiches in it that get near frozen, they give them to the kids who have never heard of or seen anything that cold since they come from a dump and just think it is frozen and some lawyer turns it into something it isn't. That makes much more sense.

holding them in "shackles"? BP and most LEO's use zip ties in the field now-days...

Strip searches like being searched for drugs that the cartel sends them over with? Again, zealous defence lawyers...

Forced to use toilettes in front of others... like you have a ton of detainees out in the middle of nowhere and they have to go really bad and others can see them? Hell, that happens in the Orly airport in France. I had to urinate in the urinal in full view of the main passageway in front of thousands and I never thought of suing.

Raped? Like some BP officers have time to rape some kids out in the field of action;.. I find that to be total bull****.
 
shrubnose said:
Whatever they are refugees from someone needs to answer a lot of questions about the very poor care that they have been receiving in the USA.
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Or it could be more total bull**** from Mexicans abusing the US system...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Or it could be more total bull**** from Mexicans abusing the US system...
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That would be my guess. No matter what happens the US is going to be the villain, and many Americans who are always ready to blame their country first are going to buy into it. Yet the Latinos, who seem to know better, keep coming.
 
shrubnose said:
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After the investigation we'll know more, eh?

Right now we're just guessing and applying xenophobic stereotypes.
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We will know more but one thing we know already is that many Mexicans are abusing systems with regards to illegal immigration and that it affects our schools, teachers, hospitals, credit systems, court systems, etc. as well as taking money out of our economy and shipping it south. Nothing xenophobic about it.
 
Grant said:
That would be my guess. No matter what happens the US is going to be the villain, and many Americans who are always ready to blame their country first are going to buy into it. Yet the Latinos, who seem to know better, keep coming.
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Yep. I knew a lot of legal and illegal Mexican/Latino immigrants. I worked in restaurants and my mom worked in the Santa Ana School District as a teacher. The amount of crap that the Mexicans pull, racism in fact, is rampant. Most Americans have ZERO knowledge of this because that would be politically incorrect.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yep. I knew a lot of legal and illegal Mexican/Latino immigrants. I worked in restaurants and my mom worked in the Santa Ana School District as a teacher. The amount of crap that the Mexicans pull, racism in fact, is rampant. Most Americans have ZERO knowledge of this because that would be politically incorrect.
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This is true.

I've worked with a lot of Mexicans as well. One thing was basically true. The darker mexicans are actually less racist because they don't bother trying to pass as white or something else. The bad racism double standards occur among the lighter complexioned mexicans. Now you want to talk extreme racism, and I'm talking "One minute the biggest pompous white and proud of it type then another minute the biggest macho mexican pride type" you've ever seen, look no further than light complexioned mexicans. They are the biggest racists both against their own people and against whites and blacks and anyone else you'll ever meet.

I attribute that to their loss of identity. They know they don't fit in among the darker complexion mexicans and they know they don't fit in among actual anglos either so they adopt a very big double standard in that they try to be everybody at once.
 
Ryan5 said:
This is true.

I've worked with a lot of Mexicans as well. One thing was basically true. The darker mexicans are actually less racist because they don't bother trying to pass as white or something else. The bad racism double standards occur among the lighter complexioned mexicans. Now you want to talk extreme racism, and I'm talking "One minute the biggest pompous white and proud of it type then another minute the biggest macho mexican pride type" you've ever seen, look no further than light complexioned mexicans. They are the biggest racists both against their own people and against whites and blacks and anyone else you'll ever meet.

I attribute that to their loss of identity. They know they don't fit in among the darker complexion mexicans and they know they don't fit in among actual anglos either so they adopt a very big double standard in that they try to be everybody at once.
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There is some truth to that, growing up in L.A. I had a few Mexican friends and one of them was blond and blue eyed and he insisted he was from Spain (he had an accent) and this kept on until I had dinner in his house and his parents explained they were from Mexico.
 
PoS said:
There is some truth to that, growing up in L.A. I had a few Mexican friends and one of them was blond and blue eyed and he insisted he was from Spain (he had an accent) and this kept on until I had dinner in his house and his parents explained they were from Mexico.
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Those are the rich and or middle class "white" mexican nationals from Mexico. They're extremely racist yes, but not who I'm talking about because they actually are usually Jewish, Anglo, Spanish or some other whiter complexion Mexican national with little to no Amerindian admixture.

The Mexicans I'm referring to are Mestizos. Half Amerindian, half Spanish or Anglo. They're the ultra racist ones and are the most common Mexicans in the US. They aren't white and they aren't Amerindian, they're Mestizos which is a mix of both. Because of this they're identities are very conflicted. Many of them will joke about mexicans around anglos then as soon as anglos leave room or even if they don't they'll then joke with actual Amerindian mexicans about anglos. They like to play both sides of the fence and I've seen both Amerindian (darker) mexicans and anglos rib them for this double standard. It's hard to blame them though. Just think about it. They can't throw in with full Amerindians who are fully dark complexion and don't resemble them, nor can they throw in easily with Anglo's who they don't resemble either. That has to be a tricky road to walk and a very internally conflicting one.

Not from the jungle. Not from the mountains. A product of a bygone genocide that probably won't occur again. Such is why Mestizos resent Amerindians in South American and Mexico and the U.S.. The Amerindians are breeding out the Mestizos now that the genocides that created the mestizo masses are a thing of the past. Nature has a way of restoring its natural intentions.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
We will know more but one thing we know already is that many Mexicans are abusing systems with regards to illegal immigration and that it affects our schools, teachers, hospitals, credit systems, court systems, etc. as well as taking money out of our economy and shipping it south.
Nothing xenophobic about it.[
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If you think that it's OK to treat any human being in the USA with anything less than basic human respect that's your business.

I and, I'm sure, most people in the USA will never support that kind of thinking.

But don't let that stop you from doing whatever turns you on.




"Whatever goes around, comes around."
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jimbo said:
What I don't understand is why now and how are these kids suddenly become our problem?

They didn't all wake up one morning in Central America and decide to take a stroll up to Oklahoma, crossing at least two protected borders. It's too far to swim, and I doubt that any had boats. Flying requires air fare, and these refugees supposedly have no money.

Somebody orchestrated this, and the investigation should be about who, how, and why.
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That^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We can't be as stupid as they think we are. Out with them all. I am sure we can find enough volunteers to drive the buses to the southern border and unload them.
What, Mexico has strict laws against border crossing? Who would have thought?
 
Superfly said:
Do you think that BP agents might not have an incentive to lie, en masse, if it meant their careers?
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Of course a Border Patrol agent is capable of telling a lie but I don't know that their union jobs are really at risk nor do I think it's nearly as likely that agents would lie, en masse, compared with people crossing the border illegally. Obviously this is less about probabilities or behavior patterns and more about political ideology but it just seems a lot less likely that a significant chunk of agents would suddenly turn into sexual deviants compared with illegal immigrants who would like be deported to a country they don't want to go to realizing crying rape is a good way to ensure they stay exactly where they are.
 
shrubnose said:
Bodhisattva said:
We will know more but one thing we know already is that many Mexicans are abusing systems with regards to illegal immigration and that it affects our schools, teachers, hospitals, credit systems, court systems, etc. as well as taking money out of our economy and shipping it south. /QUOTE]




If you think that it's OK to treat any human being in the USA with anything less than basic human respect that's your business.

I and, I'm sure, most people in the USA will never support that kind of thinking.

But don't let that stop you from doing whatever turns you on.




"Whatever goes around, comes around."
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When you're invading another country, should it's citizens care if you get hurt?
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According to the USA Today article I cited earlier, three-fourths of the minors entering the country through Mexico are from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras.
 
votemout said:
Should have stayed home instead of illegally crossing a foreign border, I seriously doubt the rape charges. I seriously doubt most of these charges!
I say let the deportations begin!!!!
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Deportation is one thing. Rape is another.
 
What I have read so far is that there is a complaint that illegal immigrant children who have been dumped at our border by their parents in numbers that we are not equipped to deal with have endured hardships ranging from inadequate food and water all the way up to sexual abuse.

The question I have is why is all of the outrage over this being directed at our border control agents and not at the parents of these kids who are being abandoned at our doorstep? Sure, as humanitarians we need to do what we can to safely accommodate them until a solution to the problem can be found but IMO the outrage being heaped upon our border patrol is misguided. They are overwhelmed and understaffed to deal with a problem that is not of their making.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
What I have read so far is that there is a complaint that illegal immigrant children who have been dumped at our border by their parents in numbers that we are not equipped to deal with have endured hardships ranging from inadequate food and water all the way up to sexual abuse.

The question I have is why is all of the outrage over this being directed at our border control agents and not at the parents of these kids who are being abandoned at our doorstep? Sure, as humanitarians we need to do what we can to safely accommodate them until a solution to the problem can be found but IMO the outrage being heaped upon our border patrol is misguided.
They are overwhelmed and understaffed to deal with a problem that is not of their making.
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Then the USA needs to give them some help. There are unemployed people all over the USA, some of them could help out there.
 
How much does the US Gov't pay you to foster a child?


Tim-
 
Juanita said:
There is always time for rape and abuse. These children should be considered as refugees, not illegal immigrants..
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They are not illegal immigrants, they are illegal aliens. And no, just no, for the thousandth time. Words have meanings. In this context, they are not refugees.
 
shrubnose said:
Then the USA needs to give them some help. There are unemployed people all over the USA, some of them could help out there.
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No, we should round them and send them to the care of the Mexican government. Those children are citizens of Mexico or Guatemala, where ever they came from.
 
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