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Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’[W:202]

Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

I deal with this every day, polgara. They are called insurance company case managers and they use the guidelines of their COMPANY and often do not care what the provider says... the one actually treating the patient.

You know, one does not use health insurance until you need it. How horrible it must be to learn that you are not covered when you need it the most, even though you may have paid your premiums faithfully all along. No one asks to get brain cancer, heart attack, stroke, or diabetes or any other potential killer, yet people do suffer from them even when they try to live a healthy lifestyle. And what happens to the Hippocratic Oath? Does it no longer apply now that it will be out of the doctor's hands?

I recently discovered that I have become gluten intolerant. Okay, I can eliminate gluten from my diet...maybe. Since I have now learned that there are thousands of foods that contain gluten, it hasn't been easy, and since I grew up eating strudels and other scrumptious goodies, and since I enjoy baking, it's been a real test to adhere to the celiac guidelines. "I'm doing it for my health" has become my mantra, but I sure do miss those foods! :mrgreen: *if they ever tell me fudge is bad, .....*

Greetings, Captain Courtesy. :2wave:
 
Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

Psychotherapist.

Interesting! You must have a field day with this board.;)

Thanks for sharing your experiences. It's always interesting to read it from an insider's point of view.
 
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I'm sure the Nation will reflect on this in new polls in two weeks--
90 or so Obama officials knew of the Bergdahl swap and none of them leaked it--
yet give this congress one piece of confidential info and what happens??
now we know who brings the trust -

Good evening NIMBY

I just wanted to point out in passing that just because 90 members of someone's staff or administration are honest and trustworthy, that doesn't mean the person they work for is equally honest and trustworthy. I could also give you several examples of where members of the Obama administration have leaked details about clandestine operations either before or after the fact. Would that make Obama any less honest and trustworthy? The actions of others are their own and entirely irrelevant to the character of the man at issue here.
 
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You know, one does not use health insurance until you need it. How horrible it must be to learn that you are not covered when you need it the most, even though you may have paid your premiums faithfully all along. No one asks to get brain cancer, heart attack, stroke, or diabetes or any other potential killer, yet people do suffer from them even when they try to live a healthy lifestyle. And what happens to the Hippocratic Oath? Does it no longer apply now that it will be out of the doctor's hands?

It's been out of the doctor's hands for quite some time. This is what healthcare insurers in the US have been doing for years. Doesn't always affect things, but sometimes it does. I had it happen to me several years ago when being treated for acid reflux... before there were many OTC medications on the market. I was on one medication which was working great. The insurance company refused to continue to cover it, even though my doctor insisted that it was the best choice. They decided that I should be on an OTC... something that they would not have to pay for.

I recently discovered that I have become gluten intolerant. Okay, I can eliminate gluten from my diet...maybe. Since I have now learned that there are thousands of foods that contain gluten, it hasn't been easy, and since I grew up eating strudels and other scrumptious goodies, and since I enjoy baking, it's been a real test to adhere to the celiac guidelines. "I'm doing it for my health" has become my mantra, but I sure do miss those foods! :mrgreen: *if they ever tell me fudge is bad, .....*

Greetings, Captain Courtesy. :2wave:

I was diagnosed with Celiac Disease 2 years ago, so I have not had any gluten in all that time. I feel your pain... but it's actually not that bad. I've found lots of substitutes.
 
Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

Interesting! You must have a field day with this board.;)

No comment. ;)

Thanks for sharing your experiences. It's always interesting to read it from an insider's point of view.

No problem. Happy to do it.
 
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Psychotherapist.


Interesting! You must have a field day with this board.;)

Generally CC and myself don't agree on much politically, but he is a good guy that definitely earned my respect.

A few years back he thought that the tone of my posts had changed and become more angry and combative than what he had come to expect, so he put politics aside and went out of his way to ask if something was bothering me and if everything was OK in my personal life.... It's a gesture I won't soon forget.
 
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Generally CC and myself don't agree on much politically, but he is a good guy that definitely earned my respect.

A few years back he thought that the tone of my posts had changed and become more angry and combative than what he had come to expect, so he put politics aside and went out of his way to ask if something was bothering me and if everything was OK in my personal life.... It's a gesture I won't soon forget.

I appreciate that he took the time to answer my question about an example. All of us here have ideas about what's right and wrong with the ACA, and I'm always interested in the experiences of someone who actually lives medical stuff day in and day out.

I don't think I agree with him politically generally speaking either ;) but from the posts of his that I read, he's not inclined towards radical leftism, and for that he also has my respect.
 
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People, this is what partisan blinders does to someone. If you can't see that the right and the left suck equally, then the problem is yours, not anyone elses.

Yeah you voted for Obama, but my hands are clean... Nice try, you try to defend him by saying both sides are bad. But that don't work with me, you picked Obama and you voted for an idiot.
 
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Huh? We're talking about one specific lie in the last 15 pages or so. But there are plenty of others.

How about when he said Fast and Furious began under Bush (it didn't)?
How about his lie about how many jobs the Keystone pipeline would create when in fact he had evidence to the contrary?
How about closing Gitmo?
How about his promise not to have lobbyists in his administration (by 2010 he had at least 40)?
How about when he said he had Congress' support to carry out intervention in Libya (remember when Dennis Kucinich busted him on that)?

There's just a very small sampling.

This is actually a great example of the point I was making.
These items are not born out of dishonesty or lies, they are items representative of mistakes and spin.
For example:

The Fast and Furious thing was clearly a case of Obama being misinformed. Maybe even a combination of both being misinformed and getting it mixed up with operation Wide Receiver.
In either event, Obama had nothing to gain and only stood to lose by making the statement. If Obama had even the smallest reason to believe that making such a lie would not be discovered and that he had something to gain, well then that would change everything. I'd be standing with you on the issue if that were the case.
But the simple fact of the matter is that Obama was misinformed and made a mistake.

I think it is comical that you'd even bring up Keystone. No one agrees on how many permanent jobs Keystone would create. Many think it would be far "less" jobs than what Obama said.
Even people representing the same side of the argument seem to disagree on how many jobs it would create.
Hell, that one is not even a lie OR a mistake. Until people can get their act together on some numbers, it is merely an opinion.

I find it offensive that you'd use GITMO as an example. This is called intellectual dishonesty on your part. You know good and well that Obama would love to close GITMO if Republicans and even some Democrats would allow him to. At worst, Obama over stepped his authority when he made the promise.
Allow him to close it, and it will be closed.

The lobbyist thing was a campaign promise. Many of Obama's campaign promises were made out of ignorance. Ignorance because he failed to understand that a lot of these things are just not realistic or within his control. He has also broken his promise to have immigration reform, something that he has exactly zero control over.
It is easy to see his good intentions. And in most cases it was unpredictable and unreasonable Republican opposition that caused the majority of his broken promises to fail.

The Libya thing I simply don't know about. But consider this...
With a Congress that consists of hundreds of men who would like to lynch Obama from a tree and scrutinize every single action and word he makes... Do you think for 1 second that this was a lie and not a mistake? Is it not extremely easy to imagine that Obama was likely told that he would have Congress' support?
For you to think this was a lie, you'd have to also believe that Obama stood to gain something from it and that he had a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Does this apply?
 
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I asked you - not someone else - but I appreciate that you can't provide an answer. Best to continue to deflect when you've got nothing and you've been called on it.

The answer is that the "analysis" the article presented was a reference to two provisions of ACA which make it impossible for it to create "death panels" and the article claims that those two provisions prove that ACA does create death panels.
 
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I'm glad to see you point this out. Are you claiming that government funded services act any differently and if you are, what evidence do you have that they do?

The provisions that the right refer to when talking about death panels do not allow the govt to decide on individual cases. Instead, those provisions set up a panel that will recommend reducing reimbursements for certain procedures. Those reductions in reimbursement apply to everyone, not just old people or others the govt considers "non-productive"
 
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I ask this because a very large percentage of the newly insured under the ACA exchanges have been funneled into Medicaid. I presume, without any factual basis, only anecdotal reference to government funded health care here in Canada, that government funded health care in the US will not automatically fund all applications for cost coverage of all prescribed or requested services/medications. As such, there will be decision makers - let's call them "panels" in honour of Sarah Palin - which will evaluate the cost/benefit of providing said services/medications. In some case, perhaps not many, such decisions will lead to a denial of services/medications which could lead to a shorter life or a hastened "death". Put it all together and you end up with a "death panel".

That's not how medicaid works. Medicaid programs are administered by the states and the decisions about whether a specific procedure will be covered for a specific individual is made by the state so ACA does not, and can not, make that decision.

IOW, if there ever are any death panels, they will not be the creation of ACA.
 
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Were it that simple. I know my insurance company, and this isn't them.

"Obamacare allotted $1.1 billion to set up a Research Institute, and an additional $3.8 billion for a Federal Coordinating Concil for effectiveness research by a "board" who will establish the research project agenda. There will also be an "expert advisory panel" consisting of research clinicians, patients and experts in scientific and health services research and health services delivery. The HHS Secretary in DC may limit any treatments that are not recommended by the new research institute."

So research scientists and not doctors will be deciding who gets what treatments. Your insurance company will pay, or not, based on what is decided. Reminds me of the horror movie Coma" with Genevieve Bujold and Michael Douglas! :eek: It will be most interesting to see how various ethnic groups, with their unique DNA, are handled, won't it?

No, they will not be deciding *WHO* gets what treatments. If they decide to lower the reimbursement rate for a specific procedure, then the rate will be lower for *everyone* who needs that procedure and not just old people or other "non-productive" people.
 
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Generally CC and myself don't agree on much politically, but he is a good guy that definitely earned my respect.

A few years back he thought that the tone of my posts had changed and become more angry and combative than what he had come to expect, so he put politics aside and went out of his way to ask if something was bothering me and if everything was OK in my personal life.... It's a gesture I won't soon forget.

Thank you, Grim. Nice of you to post that. :)
 
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Yeah you voted for Obama, but my hands are clean... Nice try, you try to defend him by saying both sides are bad. But that don't work with me, you picked Obama and you voted for an idiot.

Of course it doesn't work with you. Your partisan blinders prevent you from seeing reality. People like you are precisely what is wrong with this country. You don't care about the US. You just care about "sticking it to the other guy".
 
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I appreciate that he took the time to answer my question about an example. All of us here have ideas about what's right and wrong with the ACA, and I'm always interested in the experiences of someone who actually lives medical stuff day in and day out.

I don't think I agree with him politically generally speaking either ;) but from the posts of his that I read, he's not inclined towards radical leftism, and for that he also has my respect.

Radical/extreme anything has my complete derision... right, left, anything. Extremists are what are ruining this country. If THEY would shut the hell up and let the non-extreme and intelligent amongst us speak and figure things out, a couple of solutions might actually occur.
 
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Nonsense. His highest disapproval ratings of his presidency was just a few months before the election and the only crisis-to-crisis that exists is in the minds of the far right

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Again, the only people who think that there has been a foriegn policy disaster are the far righties. most americans don't really give a crap.

That is fascinating. So in your opinion, Iraq is not collapsing, North Africa is not on fire, Szria is not a bloody nightmare, Russia isnt pushing into Eastern Europe, we didnt just trade back the Talibans five top dudes for a deserter, there hasnt been a massive scandal at the VA, yeesh, am I forgetting anything? Its hard to keep track with this guy.
 
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That is fascinating. So in your opinion, Iraq is not collapsing, North Africa is not on fire, Szria is not a bloody nightmare, Russia isnt pushing into Eastern Europe, we didnt just trade back the Talibans five top dudes for a deserter, there hasnt been a massive scandal at the VA, yeesh, am I forgetting anything? Its hard to keep track with this guy.

None of those are a crisis
 
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Of course it doesn't work with you. Your partisan blinders prevent you from seeing reality. People like you are precisely what is wrong with this country. You don't care about the US. You just care about "sticking it to the other guy".

Give it up. You voted for idiot Obama who the best he ever did was a community organizer and there is no record of him being any good at that. And you got exactly what you voted for, failure. Then you expect me to come and give aid and comfort to an Idiot that is destroying this country. No but hell no, I want his ass out of office and if I could impeach the bastard I would.

Now you go and tell Obama, it's all OK, all politicians lie and really screw up and cover up scandals and have no clue on how to run anything and sign into law failed policy etc, so don't feel bad. While your doing that I want his ass out of office.
 
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Radical/extreme anything has my complete derision... right, left, anything. Extremists are what are ruining this country. If THEY would shut the hell up and let the non-extreme and intelligent amongst us speak and figure things out, a couple of solutions might actually occur.

From your fingers to God's ears, CC!
 
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None of those are a crisis

We all know that none of these are a crisis according to Obama and the left, Benghazi was not a crises either when 4 Americans were dying.
 
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None of those are a crisis

Indeed, a crisis is a law that requires presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID. ;)
 
Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

This is actually a great example of the point I was making.
These items are not born out of dishonesty or lies, they are items representative of mistakes and spin.
For example:

The Fast and Furious thing was clearly a case of Obama being misinformed. Maybe even a combination of both being misinformed and getting it mixed up with operation Wide Receiver.
In either event, Obama had nothing to gain and only stood to lose by making the statement. If Obama had even the smallest reason to believe that making such a lie would not be discovered and that he had something to gain, well then that would change everything. I'd be standing with you on the issue if that were the case.
But the simple fact of the matter is that Obama was misinformed and made a mistake.

I think it is comical that you'd even bring up Keystone. No one agrees on how many permanent jobs Keystone would create. Many think it would be far "less" jobs than what Obama said.
Even people representing the same side of the argument seem to disagree on how many jobs it would create.
Hell, that one is not even a lie OR a mistake. Until people can get their act together on some numbers, it is merely an opinion.

I find it offensive that you'd use GITMO as an example. This is called intellectual dishonesty on your part. You know good and well that Obama would love to close GITMO if Republicans and even some Democrats would allow him to. At worst, Obama over stepped his authority when he made the promise.
Allow him to close it, and it will be closed.

The lobbyist thing was a campaign promise. Many of Obama's campaign promises were made out of ignorance. Ignorance because he failed to understand that a lot of these things are just not realistic or within his control. He has also broken his promise to have immigration reform, something that he has exactly zero control over.
It is easy to see his good intentions. And in most cases it was unpredictable and unreasonable Republican opposition that caused the majority of his broken promises to fail.

The Libya thing I simply don't know about. But consider this...
With a Congress that consists of hundreds of men who would like to lynch Obama from a tree and scrutinize every single action and word he makes... Do you think for 1 second that this was a lie and not a mistake? Is it not extremely easy to imagine that Obama was likely told that he would have Congress' support?
For you to think this was a lie, you'd have to also believe that Obama stood to gain something from it and that he had a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Does this apply?

You need to do some research. Obama has all the information on Keystone.

Yes, those were all his lies that I posted. And no, they aren't "mistakes" and "spin" and him being "misinformed". They are lies. You can spin them all you want if it makes you feel better. The truth is out there.
 
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