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Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’[W:202]

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Well, since voting conservative would be at least equally as stupid, you seem to be advocating for people to not vote.
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Yeah, the Dem's are on such a role with one success story after another they will gain seats in the Senate and take back the House in November. My dog could do better job than Obama and clan. My dog will for sure lead in front, instead from behind. I gave up on counting all the scandals, that last of which is the IRS, VA, Iraq, lost e-mails, trading 5 terrorist for a deserter etc.
 
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votemout said:
More evidence of ‘death panels’ in Obamacare

More evidence of 'death panels' in Obamacare

Paragraph (1) shall not be construed as preventing the Secretary from using evidence or findings from such comparative clinical effectiveness research in determining coverage, reimbursement, or incentive programs under title XVIII based upon a comparison of the difference in the effectiveness of alternative treatments in extending an individual’s life due to the individual’s age, disability, or terminal illness.

Paragraph (1) refers to the section that bars the health secretary from valuing the life of an elderly, disabled or terminally ill patient as lower than that of the younger or nondisabled patient.
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I'm not going to give WND too much attention since they did hang on to the whole birth certificate issue for too long, but the article does do a nice job of reminding people that Politifact can't necessarily be trusted, given that the "Lie of the Year" in 2013 was the same Obama promise that they rated "True" in 2008.

The commments in that article about NICE are pretty thought provoking.

Hell, in 2009 I'm sure people would say with conviction that the VA system didn't contain death panels either, and recent reports make one look at the VA with a little skepticism too......
 
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Kobie said:
Certainly not WND, that's for sure.

Politifact has stuck it to Obama on numerous occasions.
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They stuck it to him 5 years after insisting he wasn't lying. I'm not real keen on their opinions at this point.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So there you are - Cabrera was the MVP in all three years, but he was only credited with it in later years - just like Obama's big lie.
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Well no, he wasn't the MVP in 2011. Justin Verlander won the award.
 
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Kobie said:
The two things posted from the WND link earlier in the thread completely contradict the notion of "death panels." 0/10, see me after class.
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You dismissed what I posted - if you lack the honesty or integrity to prove what is false or not credible in what I posted, that's fine - but continuing to refer to other posts and links that had nothing to do with me only paints your contributions as pathetically weak.
 
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Born Free said:
Yeah, the Dem's are on such a role with one success story after another they will gain seats in the Senate and take back the House in November. My dog could do better job than Obama and clan. My dog will for sure lead in front, instead from behind. I gave up on counting all the scandals, that last of which is the IRS, VA, Iraq, lost e-mails, trading 5 terrorist for a deserter etc.
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If you actually believe that conservatives are any better, then you appear to be nothing but a blind right wing partisan. That's OK. At least we know where you stand.
 
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votemout said:
:3oops: :roll:

So a website that is devoted to keeping his lies is biased. Because you prefer to be lied to and thus why you only listen to PRO obummer "news" sites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tigVYfHVmQ
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no. i don't like it when people make arguments that they consider infaliable and dismiss any story or fact that contridicts their beliefs.

you don't even give liberals the benifit of the doubt.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
You dismissed what I posted - if you lack the honesty or integrity to prove what is false or not credible in what I posted, that's fine - but continuing to refer to other posts and links that had nothing to do with me only paints your contributions as pathetically weak.
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I dismissed what you posted because it came from a source that routinely lies to smear Obama. Find a better source and I won't dismiss it.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So there you are - Cabrera was the MVP in all three years, but he was only credited with it in later years - just like Obama's big lie.
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You're kidding, right? Winning the MVP is quite different from someone believing that someone should win the MVP. Similar to Obama winning the award this year and someone BELIEVING that he should have won the award other years.
 
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Kobie said:
Well no, he wasn't the MVP in 2011. Justin Verlander won the award.
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The award, like the Politifact's Lie of the Year, is subjective. As with Politifacts getting Obama's whopper wrong in 2009, MLB got the MVP voting wrong in 2011.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'm not going to give WND too much attention since they did hang on to the whole birth certificate issue for too long, but the article does do a nice job of reminding people that Politifact can't necessarily be trusted, given that the "Lie of the Year" in 2013 was the same Obama promise that they rated "True" in 2008.

The commments in that article about NICE are pretty thought provoking.

Hell, in 2009 I'm sure people would say with conviction that the VA system didn't contain death panels either, and recent reports make one look at the VA with a little skepticism too......
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so politiifact cannot be trusted because it changed its opinion? that seems to be harsh standard of judging the bias of news sources
 
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Kobie said:
I dismissed what you posted because it came from a source that routinely lies to smear Obama. Find a better source and I won't dismiss it.
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As I said - pathetically weak to attack the source and not the content of the argument. Duly noted.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
The award, like the Politifact's Lie of the Year, is subjective. As with Politifacts getting Obama's whopper wrong in 2009, MLB got the MVP voting wrong in 2011.
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Mkay. :roll:

I love how offhandedly pointing out a minor quibble with one of Born Free's posts has taken this thread in an ... interesting direction.
 
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Why are there so many posts in this thread about each other and not about Obama and the poll? Any chance we can get back to the OP, which is far more interesting?

Is Obama trutworthy and honest, or isn't he?

I know I don't need WND or MSNBC or any other site to make up my mind. I know what he said in 2008, and I know what he's done, and he wasn't honest. He's a politician, even though for some strange reason he actually had people believing he was going to do things outside the Washington way.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
As I said - pathetically weak to attack the source and not the content of the argument. Duly noted.
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I'll remember that the next time you get on someone for using Media Matters as a source. :tomato:
 
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tres borrachos said:
Why are there so many posts in this thread about each other and not about Obama and the poll? Any chance we can get back to the OP, which is far more interesting?

Is Obama trutworthy and honest, or isn't he?

I know I don't need WND or MSNBC or any other site to make up my mind. I know what he said in 2008, and I know what he's done, and he wasn't honest. He's a politician, even though for some strange reason he actually had people believing he was going to do things outside the Washington way.
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I would say no, he's not particularly honest or trustworthy, which separates him from 99% of the schmucks in Washington ... not at all.
 
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Kobie said:
I would say no, he's not particularly honest or trustworthy, which separates him from 99% of the schmucks in Washington ... not at all.
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An honest politician is an oxymoron.
 
Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

CanadaJohn said:
As I said - pathetically weak to attack the source and not the content of the argument. Duly noted.
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Thats how they roll once they lose or cannot refute the information they attack the source that is how they are trained at the official paid shill jobs they have.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
so politiifact cannot be trusted because it changed its opinion? that seems to be harsh standard of judging the bias of news sources
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It shouldn't have given an opinion in 2008. Politifact isn't a news source. And it gets things wrong, as evidenced by the 2013 "Lie of the Year" being labelled as "True" in 2008 when they had (obviously) no way of knowing if it was true or not.

I didn't doubt Obama when he said "If you like your plan, if you like your doctor, blah blah", but it turned out to be a full on lie, so I have no reason to believe anything he says about the ACA.
 
Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

tres borrachos said:
Why are there so many posts in this thread about each other and not about Obama and the poll? Any chance we can get back to the OP, which is far more interesting?

Is Obama trutworthy and honest, or isn't he?

I know I don't need WND or MSNBC or any other site to make up my mind. I know what he said in 2008, and I know what he's done, and he wasn't honest. He's a politician, even though for some strange reason he actually had people believing he was going to do things outside the Washington way.
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some of us don't have metoric expectations of our elected officals, but Obama gave us somthing 2008 that we as a nation badly needed: an renewal of hope.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
If you actually believe that conservatives are any better, then you appear to be nothing but a blind right wing partisan. That's OK. At least we know where you stand.
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No one could be worse than these idiot Dem liberals. Like I said my Dog could do a better job than those idiots. But hey you stay with those idiot liars, lead from behind, scandalous Dems.
 
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votemout said:
Thats how they roll once they lose or cannot refute the information they attack the source that is how they are trained at the official paid shill jobs they have.
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:lamo

Born Free said:
No one could be worse than these idiot Dem liberals. Like I said my Dog could do a better job than those idiots. But hey you stay with those idiot liars, lead from behind, scandalous Dems.
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Thank you for proving CC's point.
 
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