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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nonsense. His highest disapproval ratings of his presidency was just a few months before the election and the only crisis-to-crisis that exists is in the minds of the far right

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    Again, the only people who think that there has been a foriegn policy disaster are the far righties. most americans don't really give a crap.
    That is fascinating. So in your opinion, Iraq is not collapsing, North Africa is not on fire, Szria is not a bloody nightmare, Russia isnt pushing into Eastern Europe, we didnt just trade back the Talibans five top dudes for a deserter, there hasnt been a massive scandal at the VA, yeesh, am I forgetting anything? Its hard to keep track with this guy.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is fascinating. So in your opinion, Iraq is not collapsing, North Africa is not on fire, Szria is not a bloody nightmare, Russia isnt pushing into Eastern Europe, we didnt just trade back the Talibans five top dudes for a deserter, there hasnt been a massive scandal at the VA, yeesh, am I forgetting anything? Its hard to keep track with this guy.
    None of those are a crisis
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those are a crisis
    dude, you are desperate.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

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    Of course it doesn't work with you. Your partisan blinders prevent you from seeing reality. People like you are precisely what is wrong with this country. You don't care about the US. You just care about "sticking it to the other guy".
    Give it up. You voted for idiot Obama who the best he ever did was a community organizer and there is no record of him being any good at that. And you got exactly what you voted for, failure. Then you expect me to come and give aid and comfort to an Idiot that is destroying this country. No but hell no, I want his ass out of office and if I could impeach the bastard I would.

    Now you go and tell Obama, it's all OK, all politicians lie and really screw up and cover up scandals and have no clue on how to run anything and sign into law failed policy etc, so don't feel bad. While your doing that I want his ass out of office.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Radical/extreme anything has my complete derision... right, left, anything. Extremists are what are ruining this country. If THEY would shut the hell up and let the non-extreme and intelligent amongst us speak and figure things out, a couple of solutions might actually occur.
    From your fingers to God's ears, CC!

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those are a crisis
    We all know that none of these are a crisis according to Obama and the left, Benghazi was not a crises either when 4 Americans were dying.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those are a crisis
    Indeed, a crisis is a law that requires presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

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    No, ya think?
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    This is actually a great example of the point I was making.
    These items are not born out of dishonesty or lies, they are items representative of mistakes and spin.
    For example:

    The Fast and Furious thing was clearly a case of Obama being misinformed. Maybe even a combination of both being misinformed and getting it mixed up with operation Wide Receiver.
    In either event, Obama had nothing to gain and only stood to lose by making the statement. If Obama had even the smallest reason to believe that making such a lie would not be discovered and that he had something to gain, well then that would change everything. I'd be standing with you on the issue if that were the case.
    But the simple fact of the matter is that Obama was misinformed and made a mistake.

    I think it is comical that you'd even bring up Keystone. No one agrees on how many permanent jobs Keystone would create. Many think it would be far "less" jobs than what Obama said.
    Even people representing the same side of the argument seem to disagree on how many jobs it would create.
    Hell, that one is not even a lie OR a mistake. Until people can get their act together on some numbers, it is merely an opinion.

    I find it offensive that you'd use GITMO as an example. This is called intellectual dishonesty on your part. You know good and well that Obama would love to close GITMO if Republicans and even some Democrats would allow him to. At worst, Obama over stepped his authority when he made the promise.
    Allow him to close it, and it will be closed.

    The lobbyist thing was a campaign promise. Many of Obama's campaign promises were made out of ignorance. Ignorance because he failed to understand that a lot of these things are just not realistic or within his control. He has also broken his promise to have immigration reform, something that he has exactly zero control over.
    It is easy to see his good intentions. And in most cases it was unpredictable and unreasonable Republican opposition that caused the majority of his broken promises to fail.

    The Libya thing I simply don't know about. But consider this...
    With a Congress that consists of hundreds of men who would like to lynch Obama from a tree and scrutinize every single action and word he makes... Do you think for 1 second that this was a lie and not a mistake? Is it not extremely easy to imagine that Obama was likely told that he would have Congress' support?
    For you to think this was a lie, you'd have to also believe that Obama stood to gain something from it and that he had a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Does this apply?
    You need to do some research. Obama has all the information on Keystone.

    Yes, those were all his lies that I posted. And no, they aren't "mistakes" and "spin" and him being "misinformed". They are lies. You can spin them all you want if it makes you feel better. The truth is out there.

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