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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm glad to see you point this out. Are you claiming that government funded services act any differently and if you are, what evidence do you have that they do?
    I don't deal with Medicare often, but I've NEVER been subjected to any denials from them. I believe others have, so YMMV.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

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    What are you TALKING about??? I didn't deny them coverage. I argued with the insurance company who denied them coverage. Please READ my posts before responding.
    You said you were a healthcare provider not me.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    You said you were a healthcare provider not me.
    Do you know what the difference is between a healthcare provider and an insurance company???
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't deal with Medicare often, but I've NEVER been subjected to any denials from them. I believe others have, so YMMV.
    I ask this because a very large percentage of the newly insured under the ACA exchanges have been funneled into Medicaid. I presume, without any factual basis, only anecdotal reference to government funded health care here in Canada, that government funded health care in the US will not automatically fund all applications for cost coverage of all prescribed or requested services/medications. As such, there will be decision makers - let's call them "panels" in honour of Sarah Palin - which will evaluate the cost/benefit of providing said services/medications. In some case, perhaps not many, such decisions will lead to a denial of services/medications which could lead to a shorter life or a hastened "death". Put it all together and you end up with a "death panel".

    I'd be quite pleased to see some documented proof that any life saving service/medication prescribed by a patient's physician will be honoured, without question, by the government funding body or at least by the government funded insurance coverage promoted under the ACA. It's too early in the game to see how it will play out in reality, but if there's language somewhere that suggests my understanding of the language in the ACA is wrong, I'd like to see it.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We've been referring to them as "insurance companies" for quite some time.
    Were it that simple. I know my insurance company, and this isn't them.

    "Obamacare allotted $1.1 billion to set up a Research Institute, and an additional $3.8 billion for a Federal Coordinating Concil for effectiveness research by a "board" who will establish the research project agenda. There will also be an "expert advisory panel" consisting of research clinicians, patients and experts in scientific and health services research and health services delivery. The HHS Secretary in DC may limit any treatments that are not recommended by the new research institute."

    So research scientists and not doctors will be deciding who gets what treatments. Your insurance company will pay, or not, based on what is decided. Reminds me of the horror movie Coma" with Genevieve Bujold and Michael Douglas! It will be most interesting to see how various ethnic groups, with their unique DNA, are handled, won't it?

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I ask this because a very large percentage of the newly insured under the ACA exchanges have been funneled into Medicaid. I presume, without any factual basis, only anecdotal reference to government funded health care here in Canada, that government funded health care in the US will not automatically fund all applications for cost coverage of all prescribed or requested services/medications. As such, there will be decision makers - let's call them "panels" in honour of Sarah Palin - which will evaluate the cost/benefit of providing said services/medications. In some case, perhaps not many, such decisions will lead to a denial of services/medications which could lead to a shorter life or a hastened "death". Put it all together and you end up with a "death panel".

    I'd be quite pleased to see some documented proof that any life saving service/medication prescribed by a patient's physician will be honoured, without question, by the government funding body or at least by the government funded insurance coverage promoted under the ACA. It's too early in the game to see how it will play out in reality, but if there's language somewhere that suggests my understanding of the language in the ACA is wrong, I'd like to see it.
    From what I understand, a lot of the newly insured under ACA are being funneled into government approved private insurance plans. These would be subjected to the same reviews as other private insurance plans, one of the reasons that I am not fond of ACA. But you are correct... it is far to early to tell what kind of impact ACA will have on insurance coverage and denials.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    The funny thing is that when you ask these Right wingers what Obama actually was dishonest about...
    All you get is a bunch of BS and spin or they simply lead you back to some situation where Obama was mistaken.
    The power of misinformation and Faux news combined with the ignorance of our own people is amazingly impressive.

    Mistaken? hilarious.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Hi Lady P. - It's been chilly and overcast all day today but the sun is finally starting to come out, just in time for the moon and stars.

    As for the language in the act, it will be similar to what happens here in Canada. We recently had a woman with brain cancer - in her 30s, with 2 small children, who was not given medication that would prolong her life for 6 months to a year because the committee that evaluates "value for money" in provision of medical services determined that the benefit to the woman wasn't worth the hundreds of thousands of $ the drug would have cost the system. She died a few months ago, without ever getting the drug. In another situation, a young girl has been denied a drug for her condition because the cost is about $340,000 a month - the pharma is paying 50% and the father's insurance is paying another big chunk, but the family has to come up with $60,000 a month for the balance - they are doing it through fundraising now, but the government refuses to fund it until they can reach an agreement with the pharma to lower the costs.

    These are the "death panel" type decisions that are made in the system that most liberals in America toss up as the ideal.
    And it will doubtless continue until they, or a member of their own family, doesn't meet the established criteria! Then there will be Hell to pay!

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    From what I understand, a lot of the newly insured under ACA are being funneled into government approved private insurance plans. These would be subjected to the same reviews as other private insurance plans, one of the reasons that I am not fond of ACA. But you are correct... it is far to early to tell what kind of impact ACA will have on insurance coverage and denials.
    I appreciate this - so is there some language in the contracts or arrangements that HHS has with insurers who provide those who are medicaid eligible under the new criteria that requires those insurers not act as they've always acted? We're getting deep in the weeds here, but bottom line from my perspective is that no insurer, whether private or the government, makes treatment approval decisions that are not also based on a cost/benefit analysis. That lends credence to the position that the HHS panel under the ACA will indeed be making decisions on treatment that could result in some patients dying before medically necessary.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate this - so is there some language in the contracts or arrangements that HHS has with insurers who provide those who are medicaid eligible under the new criteria that requires those insurers not act as they've always acted? We're getting deep in the weeds here, but bottom line from my perspective is that no insurer, whether private or the government, makes treatment approval decisions that are not also based on a cost/benefit analysis. That lends credence to the position that the HHS panel under the ACA will indeed be making decisions on treatment that could result in some patients dying before medically necessary.
    Don't really know since I do not deal with Medicaid and never have. If I were to take a guess, I'd say that unless specific wording prohibits it, any insurance company, private or governmental, would have some kind of review system that could deny access to benefits on their whim, even over the objections and documentation of the actual provider treating the patient. This is my major issue with health insurance companies and one thing that ACA really doesn't address as much as I would like. I haven't had the same experience with governmental health care, but others have. The term "death panels", however, is an idiotic partisan term, and the accusation that ACA reviewing patient care as being "new" is idiotic. Private insurance invented and has been playing that game for ages.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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