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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    In reading the link you provided, it does seem like someone other than you, your family, and your doctor will decide whether or not you meet the criteria for life-extending treatments. Perhaps "death panels" was not the best choice of words to use, but they seem apt, because if a group of strangers decides you do not qualify - using their guidelines - you will probably not be given treatment, and you will doubtless die.

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    As for the language in the act, it will be similar to what happens here in Canada. We recently had a woman with brain cancer - in her 30s, with 2 small children, who was not given medication that would prolong her life for 6 months to a year because the committee that evaluates "value for money" in provision of medical services determined that the benefit to the woman wasn't worth the hundreds of thousands of $ the drug would have cost the system. She died a few months ago, without ever getting the drug. In another situation, a young girl has been denied a drug for her condition because the cost is about $340,000 a month - the pharma is paying 50% and the father's insurance is paying another big chunk, but the family has to come up with $60,000 a month for the balance - they are doing it through fundraising now, but the government refuses to fund it until they can reach an agreement with the pharma to lower the costs.

    These are the "death panel" type decisions that are made in the system that most liberals in America toss up as the ideal.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    At times.
    I'm no lawyer, but if this happened, wouldn't a law suit be in order?

    I read every word of my insusrance policies when I get them each year from my employer after we've signed up for the plans we want. I know exactly what is covered and what isn't. If they say "x" is covered, and then they deny me, I should be able to go right to my state's insurance department for assistance.

    Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have examples of insurance companies denying coverage for a procedure that is in the contract with the insured party?

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, if it's subjective, your opinion of who should have won "Lie of the Year" is as subjective, and therefore relevant, as Politifact's, correct? Which of course means that your opinion that he should have won the award in other years has as much value as Politifact's opinion that he shouldn't, right?
    Absolutely - which is why those who consider Politifacts as some godly source of the one and only truth is just nonsense.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    The funny thing is that when you ask these Right wingers what Obama actually was dishonest about...
    All you get is a bunch of BS and spin or they simply lead you back to some situation where Obama was mistaken.
    The power of misinformation and Faux news combined with the ignorance of our own people is amazingly impressive.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    john they cannot admit to the fact that death panels are in the obummercare bill. that would mean that Fox news and other sources DID NOT LIE, and they have worked so hard to try and portray anyone that is anti obama is a liar and rayciss.
    It really can't be proven until it actually is implemented and takes effect. It won't be real for many supporters of the ACA until such time as someone on Medicaid is denied a lifesaving treatment because the value for money evaluation doesn't support it. It happens in every system where the government is directly involved in any funding of medical care.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your dog could do better than any of the conservatives, but hey, you stay with those idiot liars. Btw... I'm not a Democrat, but blind partisans usually just assume that if someone disagrees with them, that person must be on the other side, rather than actually examining their own positions.
    All I need to do is examine who is doing what in office and what I've seen is Obama and clan is the worst we seen in decades. I never voted for idiot Obama but I'll bet you did.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm no lawyer, but if this happened, wouldn't a law suit be in order?

    I read every word of my insusrance policies when I get them each year from my employer after we've signed up for the plans we want. I know exactly what is covered and what isn't. If they say "x" is covered, and then they deny me, I should be able to go right to my state's insurance department for assistance.

    Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have examples of insurance companies denying coverage for a procedure that is in the contract with the insured party?
    What the insurance company does is this. Let's say as a provider, I deem a medical procedure necessary for a patient. I give the insurance company all the information. THEY can then decide if THEY believe is is medically necessary. They do this without examining the patient. If they decide that it is not medically necessary (and how they would do this what with my information and no evaluation of their own) they can say, "no, we are not going to cover that". Example: I recently had a patient who had an eating disorder. Patient was binging and purging daily. Outpatient services had not worked. Day treatment services had not helped. Some of her bloodwork was off, especially her electrolytes. You HAD coverage in her policy for inpatient services, which both I and two physicians who were treating her recommended. The insurance company "decided" that it wasn't medically necessary, this without ever seeing the patient and with receiving all the labs and reports from all providers. I wish that was an isolated case, but I've seen stuff like that plenty of times.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Absolutely - which is why those who consider Politifacts as some godly source of the one and only truth is just nonsense.
    OK. I can accept that.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We've been referring to them as "insurance companies" for quite some time.
    I'm glad to see you point this out. Are you claiming that government funded services act any differently and if you are, what evidence do you have that they do?
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    All I need to do is examine who is doing what in office and what I've seen is Obama and clan is the worst we seen in decades. I never voted for idiot Obama but I'll bet you did.
    People, this is what partisan blinders does to someone. If you can't see that the right and the left suck equally, then the problem is yours, not anyone elses.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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