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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    In reading the link you provided, it does seem like someone other than you, your family, and your doctor will decide whether or not you meet the criteria for life-extending treatments. Perhaps "death panels" was not the best choice of words to use, but they seem apt, because if a group of strangers decides you do not qualify - using their guidelines - you will probably not be given treatment, and you will doubtless die.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    No one could be worse than these idiot Dem liberals. Like I said my Dog could do a better job than those idiots. But hey you stay with those idiot liars, lead from behind, scandalous Dems.
    Your dog could do better than any of the conservatives, but hey, you stay with those idiot liars. Btw... I'm not a Democrat, but blind partisans usually just assume that if someone disagrees with them, that person must be on the other side, rather than actually examining their own positions.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I think Bernie Sanders is mostly honest. I always thought Ron Paul was mostly honest, even if I barely agreed with him on anything. Those are the only two that immediately come to mind.
    Funny you should mention Bernie. I can't stand the man (I'm sure you can figure out why ) but I admire his honesty. He's a socialist. He admits it proudly. He doesn't mince words, he doesn't bull****. I can't vote for him, but I do respect his honesty.

    Okay you mentioned two I can agree with. Thank you for saving me the trouble of doobs and Fluff tonight.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Which was not all that different than what was needed in 1980 when Reagan came along. Yes, I realize Obama promised hope (and change) but sadly, he delivered neither. Hope and change aren't exactly strong platforms.

    Eh, politics sucks ass sometimes.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You made the analogy - I'm just playing along.
    I was referring to further back in the thread than that.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    FDR brought hope back to america when it was facing one of the worst crisis in history. he may not have fully ended the great depression, but today he is remembered as one of the greatest presidents of all time.
    Not by me, but I know others think he was a great President. I think he was one of the worst. IMO he wanted us to get into WWII, and that was one of the worst, most horrible things in our history.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'll remember that the next time you get on someone for using Media Matters as a source.
    I don't get on posters for using Media Matters as a source - I do, frequently, tease Pete about being Media Matters' DP agent since he's constantly posting articles from them, but I do post to the content, not the source. And I don't recall ever posting a WND article before this one, so it's not as if I'm tied to them - but the content seems to challenge your contention that the concept of "death panels" in the ACA is false.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    In reading the link you provided, it does seem like someone other than you, your family, and your doctor will decide whether or not you meet the criteria for life-extending treatments. Perhaps "death panels" was not the best choice of words to use, but they seem apt, because if a group of strangers decides you do not qualify - using their guidelines - you will probably not be given treatment, and you will doubtless die.
    We've been referring to them as "insurance companies" for quite some time.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It wasn't my analogy, but I'm not uncomfortable with playing it out. The MVP award, like Politifact's Lie of the Year, is a subjective award not something facts based. It's similar to Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 simply because he was breathing. All three are political in nature.
    So, if it's subjective, your opinion of who should have won "Lie of the Year" is as subjective, and therefore relevant, as Politifact's, correct? Which of course means that your opinion that he should have won the award in other years has as much value as Politifact's opinion that he shouldn't, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    On this we agree. I would have to wrack my brain and smoke at least a half dozen doobs to come up with the name of a politician I think is "honest" and "trustworthy". And even then, 1 jar of Marshmallow Fluff later, I still probably wouldn't have a name.
    Ron Paul was pretty honest and stayed consistent as well.

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