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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so politiifact cannot be trusted because it changed its opinion? that seems to be harsh standard of judging the bias of news sources
    It shouldn't have given an opinion in 2008. Politifact isn't a news source. And it gets things wrong, as evidenced by the 2013 "Lie of the Year" being labelled as "True" in 2008 when they had (obviously) no way of knowing if it was true or not.

    I didn't doubt Obama when he said "If you like your plan, if you like your doctor, blah blah", but it turned out to be a full on lie, so I have no reason to believe anything he says about the ACA.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why are there so many posts in this thread about each other and not about Obama and the poll? Any chance we can get back to the OP, which is far more interesting?

    Is Obama trutworthy and honest, or isn't he?

    I know I don't need WND or MSNBC or any other site to make up my mind. I know what he said in 2008, and I know what he's done, and he wasn't honest. He's a politician, even though for some strange reason he actually had people believing he was going to do things outside the Washington way.
    some of us don't have metoric expectations of our elected officals, but Obama gave us somthing 2008 that we as a nation badly needed: an renewal of hope.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Death panel are in the bill GET OVER IT he is a murderer.

    More Evidence of Death Panels in Obamacare - Obamacare - Forced Health Insurance
    More Evidence of Death Panels in Obamacare
    Also not "death panels." You are not very good at this.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you actually believe that conservatives are any better, then you appear to be nothing but a blind right wing partisan. That's OK. At least we know where you stand.
    No one could be worse than these idiot Dem liberals. Like I said my Dog could do a better job than those idiots. But hey you stay with those idiot liars, lead from behind, scandalous Dems.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Thats how they roll once they lose or cannot refute the information they attack the source that is how they are trained at the official paid shill jobs they have.


    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    No one could be worse than these idiot Dem liberals. Like I said my Dog could do a better job than those idiots. But hey you stay with those idiot liars, lead from behind, scandalous Dems.
    Thank you for proving CC's point.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I would say no, he's not particularly honest or trustworthy, which separates him from 99% of the schmucks in Washington ... not at all.
    On this we agree. I would have to wrack my brain and smoke at least a half dozen doobs to come up with the name of a politician I think is "honest" and "trustworthy". And even then, 1 jar of Marshmallow Fluff later, I still probably wouldn't have a name.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're kidding, right? Winning the MVP is quite different from someone believing that someone should win the MVP. Similar to Obama winning the award this year and someone BELIEVING that he should have won the award other years.
    It wasn't my analogy, but I'm not uncomfortable with playing it out. The MVP award, like Politifact's Lie of the Year, is a subjective award not something facts based. It's similar to Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 simply because he was breathing. All three are political in nature.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    On this we agree. I would have to wrack my brain and smoke at least a half dozen doobs to come up with the name of a politician I think is "honest" and "trustworthy". And even then, 1 jar of Marshmallow Fluff later, I still probably wouldn't have a name.
    I think Bernie Sanders is mostly honest. I always thought Ron Paul was mostly honest, even if I barely agreed with him on anything. Those are the only two that immediately come to mind.
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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    some of us don't have metoric expectations of our elected officals, but Obama gave us somthing 2008 that we as a nation badly needed: an renewal of hope.
    Which was not all that different than what was needed in 1980 when Reagan came along. Yes, I realize Obama promised hope (and change) but sadly, he delivered neither. Hope and change aren't exactly strong platforms.

    Eh, politics sucks ass sometimes.

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    Re: Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Mkay.

    I love how offhandedly pointing out a minor quibble with one of Born Free's posts has taken this thread in an ... interesting direction.
    You made the analogy - I'm just playing along.
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