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US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

Simple way around this guys and gals! shut off your spy device period!!!! Turn off the service go back to a landline. or even better yet SAVE YOUR MONEY YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!!

Surely you didnt think Obama phones was about I love the poor. It was about we cannot spy on those that do not have cell phones!
We cannot give brain cancer to those that dont have cell phones.
 
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justabubba said:
you believe it is not possible to intercept your conversation/text ... then you should not be worried about something which you tell us cannot happen
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Do you know the difference between publically accessible and going out of ones way to access something? Publically accessible is something that you can see or get to without doing anything extra. Such as taking a photo of someone walking along a sidewalk. Going out of ones way to access something is akin to going up to a window of a private home and taking pictures of what a person is doing inside. Which one do you think is legal and which one do you think is illegal?

justabubba said:
quite a trick. you volunteer to share your information over a network which is not owned or controlled by you. and then you object because that communication gets intercepted without your permission
point is, you do not own the network, and thus have no right, or expectation to privacy when using it. if you were the owner, then a warrant would and should be required. you aren't and it isn't
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No one is volunteering to have their phone data copied by the police. Not even the phone company is volunteering that information to the police. They're just taking it. Also your arguement has already been proven to be false as land lines cannot be tapped by the police without a warrant. I don't own that phone network either....yet the courts still consider it an an invasion of privacy if the police were to tap my land line without a warrant. Why do you think that is?

justabubba said:
that forum member only shared how your phone calls can be intercepted. notice how you have no control over those things you do not own/control, such as the phone network. use it at your own risk - without expectation/assurance of privacy
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It also showed what was collected. Like a persons account information. Do you really think that people talk about their account information all the time on the phone? When was the last time you told someone your account information on a cell phone? And again, the police do not own that information or the towers or the cell phones that they are getting this data from. You seem to quite conveinently forget that little fact. Wonder why that is................

justabubba said:
notice how in every instance, the warrant is served to access property OWNED by the person. if you don't own that which is subject to be searched, then no warrant is warranted
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Except that, again, you are convienently forgetting that the information that the police are taking is not owned by the police. Even if you think that I don't own information about myself that I do not disclose to others, the information is still privately owned....by the phone company if nothing else. As such they STILL need a warrant. That information IS NOT being publicly aired. You will never be walking down the street and casually see a persons private account information being displayed floating through the air. You have to actively search for it with a device.

justabubba said:
like the phone network, you do not own the internet system ... so no warrant should be needed to access information you have voluntarily shared over the networks owned/controlled by others
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Do the police own those networks that are controlled by private individuals? No? Then they just cannot simply go to those servers and download that information. Your email account btw is considered private and anything on it that is less than 180 days old the police are required to get a warrant to search it. After that 180 days then they just need a subpoena. So again, you're wrong. The police just cannot simply download everything and anything that they wish.


justabubba said:
you own the phone. but NOT the network over which your information is relayed
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Nor does the police. Those networks are privately owned. IE: They need a warrant.

justabubba said:
you may own a car, and a warrant would have to be issued to search it
but just because you own the car does not mean your speed cannot be monitored while using the public highway to determine whether you are violating the law. similarly, law enforcement can monitor your communications over a network you do not own/control to assure you are not doing something illegal. both are examples of law enforcement practices for the greater good
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Speeding is not the same as monitoring over a network. Speeding is done in the public and they do not have to invade the inside of your car to do so. In case you didn't know they use lasers to bounch a signal to your car and back. Since your car is in the public eye this is allowed. Just like photographing someone walking down the street is allowed. A communications network however is NOT public. It is owned by private individuals.

justabubba said:
but they do not need to issue a warrant to you - because you are NOT the owner of the network
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But the phone company IS the owner. Since the phone company is considered a privately owned business a warrant is still required.
 
votemout said:
Simple way around this guys and gals! shut off your spy device period!!!! Turn off the service go back to a landline. or even better yet SAVE YOUR MONEY YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!!

Surely you didnt think Obama phones was about I love the poor. It was about we cannot spy on those that do not have cell phones!
We cannot give brain cancer to those that dont have cell phones.
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The newer digital land lines are being gathered as easily as cell phones.

For those folks in some rural areas with old fashioned analog land lines, I don't know if they are subject to the same processes. Perhaps it depends upon who they call?
 
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