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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, criticize Obama for using technology to assist law enforcement

    hell, y'all would even criticize him for coming up with a way to provide health care to those who are without it. waiting on that to happen
    Sure it's all just harmless law enforcement, it's all good natured.



    While the LAPD is buying vehicles similar in capacity as this. It's all just harmless law enforcement.................just looking out for the little guy.
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    OH there is most definitely transparency in BO's administration. The problem being is that it is only transparent to government officials. Us lowly serfs do not have the clearance required to be let in on the transparency.
    The only transparency in America is the American citizens are losing their privacy under the watchful eye of the federal govt.
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    If you want to keep something secret, don't talk about it.

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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, criticize Obama for using technology to assist law enforcement

    hell, y'all would even criticize him for coming up with a way to provide health care to those who are without it. waiting on that to happen
    Hell yes I'm going to criticize anyone that wants to use technology to invade peoples privacy without a warrant.
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance


    So they're still up to this ****. I thought Obama was getting to the bottom of this business.
    He is, he's finding out whose been giving up the cookies and silencing them.

    Loose lips sink ships...

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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hell yes I'm going to criticize anyone that wants to use technology to invade peoples privacy without a warrant.
    people have the ability to refrain from using media which is easily intercepted
    no one is breaking into your home without a warrant
    we are posting on what was originally a defense messaging system. feel free not to use it
    fell free not to say things that are publicly transmitted, if you are concerned they could be intercepted
    you have no 'right' not to have such media intercepted outside of your home
    the administration should be criticized if it refused to use advanced technologies to keep our nation safe from evil doers, at home and abroad
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only transparency in America is the American citizens are losing their privacy under the watchful eye of the federal govt.
    look around you... there's a lot of them that support losing our privacy .... Obama supporters are a very loyal lot

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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    people have the ability to refrain from using media which is easily intercepted
    Doing so limits people in how they communicate. Which is a free speech issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no one is breaking into your home without a warrant
    Strawman. Where did I meantion this? No where.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we are posting on what was originally a defense messaging system. feel free not to use it
    fell free not to say things that are publicly transmitted, if you are concerned they could be intercepted
    you have no 'right' not to have such media intercepted outside of your home
    Wrong. We have a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to cell phones, just as much of an expectation of privacy as a land wire. Just because there is the technology to intercept a cell phones data and that it is easy to use and hence easy to get ahold of such data does not mean that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. It is quite easy to intercept land line phone conversations also. Particularly since most phones now adays are wireless and you can carry them all around your house.

    Its sickening that anyone would try to defend this kind of crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the administration should be criticized if it refused to use advanced technologies to keep our nation safe from evil doers, at home and abroad
    Abroad I don't care. At home, hell yes they should be criticized. But not for refusing to use it, or even for using it. They should be criticized for using it without warrants. I have no problem with them using it to catch criminals. So long as they get a warrant per the Constitution.
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Wtf, do you think technology is going to go backwards or something?
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    Re: US pushing local cops to stay mum on surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Doing so limits people in how they communicate. Which is a free speech issue.
    no
    people choose whether to expose sensitive information or not
    and if you expose it over a publically accessible network, then there is no reasonable expectation that your privacy would be protected



    Strawman. Where did I meantion this? No where.
    you mentioned the need for a warrant. for what other location would you have a search warrant required and what Constitutional protections exist to support such a warrant outside one's domicile or facility owned by the person subject to the search



    Wrong. We have a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to cell phones, just as much of an expectation of privacy as a land wire. Just because there is the technology to intercept a cell phones data and that it is easy to use and hence easy to get ahold of such data does not mean that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. It is quite easy to intercept land line phone conversations also. Particularly since most phones now adays are wireless and you can carry them all around your house.

    Its sickening that anyone would try to defend this kind of crap.
    what causes you to believe that information you place in an internet system you do not own and control and/or information you place in a phone communications system you do not own in control should be exempt from examination when you have placed that information there of your own free will



    Abroad I don't care. At home, hell yes they should be criticized. But not for refusing to use it, or even for using it. They should be criticized for using it without warrants. I have no problem with them using it to catch criminals. So long as they get a warrant per the Constitution.
    you do not own the internet or the phone system. the search cannot be conducted without the OWNER's consent. you are **** out of luck, not being the owner. so, if you want to retain your privacy, do NOT willingly place your information in the network owned by another
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