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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you are white and that's why name calling doesn't bother you. Because systemic injustice cannot touch you.

    If you were a minority, you would understand that sometimes it's more than name calling. It's perpetuating systemic injustice.




    Yes, of course.
    Oh I have been called all sorts of name throughout my long life. I probably will be called a lot more. It just seems a bit asinine to get upset over a football teams name. But in today's world of PC, I can understand it. Words have become what is most important, more so even than actions.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    At the end of the day, money talks. If the people who want the name changed can come up with enough money to persuade the owner to change the name, and it could be billions, no doubt he would change it, everyone and everything has a price. On the flip side, if the vast majority of people, including Redskins fans want the name changed, they would boycott the Redskins until the name is changed, the owner would lose a lot of money and be forced to change the name.
    There's three ways the name changes in Dan Snyder's life time:

    1. Copyright protection for the name is revoked
    2. The NFL forces Snyder to change the name
    3. Congress somehow forces Snyder to change the name

    No amount of wailing by bleeding hearts and activists is going to spur him to change the name. The copyright issue might, for the reason you're suggesting...money. If they lose the copyright then non-team created goods with the name can legally flood the market hitting his bottom line significantly.

    There is perhaps a .01% chance in my lifetime that actual Redskin fans will boycott the team to a significant degree to actually cause a change.

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    Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's three ways the name changes in Dan Snyder's life time:

    1. Copyright protection for the name is revoked
    2. The NFL forces Snyder to change the name
    3. Congress somehow forces Snyder to change the name

    No amount of wailing by bleeding hearts and activists is going to spur him to change the name. The copyright issue might, for the reason you're suggesting...money. If they lose the copyright then non-team created goods with the name can legally flood the market hitting his bottom line significantly.

    There is perhaps a .01% chance in my lifetime that actual Redskin fans will boycott the team to a significant degree to actually cause a change.
    Yeah the Copyright protection being revoked would have to apply to all NFL teams, hell all sports teams. That's not happening.

    The NFL likely won't force Snyder to change the name, because of money. Redskins is one of the most valuable brands in all professional American sports.

    Congress though, they are incompetent enough and bored enough to entertain this issue that has absolutely no business being concerned about by congress. That's scary. That would be a slippery slope though, so hopefully probably won't happen.
    Last edited by The Man; 06-12-14 at 05:42 PM.

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do realize that this has nothing to do with association... yes? Or usage of a term outside of political boundaries? It has to do with the very dangerous corporate exploitation of a term used to demonize and attack Native Americans. Again, Saginaw is the correct term for a people. That's why nobody is offended by it. It's also why people don't get offended at names like French Quarter, Chinatown or Spanish Dock. Now try calling those places Faggot Quarter, Chinktown and Wetback Dock and see if people are offended or not.
    It has nothing to do with "association" I am speaking directly to this attitude that because "someone" may be offended we all have to cater to them, the whole idea is crap and I will laugh at it all day.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Redskin as a derogatory term is nothing made up or new.



    No one has asked you to care. It doesn't deter from the fact that it's still pushing for racial stereotypes.
    Here is the thing, as long as the same group of politicos keep this line of thinking up I will actively fight it. You can't say any one thing without "offending" "someone" and for that very reason the Washington Redskins should keep the name. The PC movement is a disgusting one with the idea of shutting down language they don't agree with, the more they lose and disappear the better off we all are.
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's not the end all be all....but Redskin absolutely has been used as a derogatory term. Suggesting it ALWAYS is one is incorrect, but you can't try and claim that it's not been used in that way at some point.
    Gee, and to think I live in a state with a heavy Indian population and they just don't seem up set about the Redskins, or the Braves or the Seminoles or all the cities and counties named after them and use of their words.

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    Re: Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    He typed:
    'People need to grow up and stop concerning themselves with what teams are named.'

    So, I wanted to see whether he meant it or not.
    Yes, people need to grow up, speaking for myself. If people really think that they have a right to not be offended I have very bad news for them. If we found some magical way to make passing gas in public or burping illegal, banning all speech that "might offend someone", and applied the death penalty for talking through a movie less people would be offended, and our nation would be poorer for it because most people wouldn't be able to leave their homes without "offending" "someone".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Like I said, fair enough.

    I thought when I first read your post that you were making a blustering, exaggerated statement.

    I was wrong...you meant it.


    Personally, I do watch sports and I think it's dumb to call a team a name that offends so many people. Plus, I think it is insensitive. Though it does not offend me (takes a lot of offend me)...it just makes me lose respect for the owner.
    If it offended "so many people" then the stands wouldn't be nearly as full as they are on game day, the Redskins have a rabid fanbase. Someone pointed out already that 80% of the US is at best "meh" on this, and that a majority of tribes have no issue whatsoever with the name. The issue? Simple, a minority with an opinion is shouting loudly and claiming a majority status on the issue, trotting out the few Indians that are actually offended, and a couple of morons in D.C. with much more important issues to concern themselves about are trying to flex a little muscle.

    But it is their team and they should be free to call it whatever they want.
    Then people should be silent about it, but that's not what political correctness is about.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I worked for about a decade for the Bureau of Indian Affairs as an IT specialist and traveled around a bit in the reservations and worked with a lot of Indians. You'd never guess which team was most commonly rooted for.

    (Hint: It wasn't the Cowboys)
    And that's another thing, cowboy is the new pejorative that we see thrown around to insult a person as being uneducated, or simple. Dallas should change their mascot immediately, maybe to something less insulting like the Northeast Texans or something like that, or maybe the Dallas Rangers, yeah, that's the ticket. Harry Reid and Obama should get right on that since it's more important than the other stuff they have created with some really choice examples of stupid legislation. Oh, and I haven't given the other side a pass either, that whole baseball investigation when the Republicans had the majority was equally stupid, D.C. has no business trying to get into the internal affairs of private sports leagues.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Good. Go troll somewhere else. Thank you.
    Finding out the sincerity of another's statement through posing hypotheticals is not 'trolling'.

    But you are butting into conversations to apparently pass judgement and make trouble...which is trolling.

    You are a waste of time and on my Ignore list.

    Btw, Henrin's statement was sincere and I would not have learned that had I not asked.


    Good day.

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