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Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

Finding out the sincerity of another's statement through posing hypotheticals is not 'trolling'.

But you are butting into conversations to apparently pass judgement and make trouble...which is trolling.

You are a waste of time and on my Ignore list.

Btw, Henrin's statement was sincere and I would not have learned that had I not asked.


Good day.

You keep saying that I'm a waste of your time and that my opinion means nothing to you, but yet you keep responding to my posts. Methinks you are insincere.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

NPR is making an absurd argument. Does the term a group uses for themselves become pejorative because some person wanted to exterminate them?

Actually, yes. Exterminating "the jews" is a great example.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

I challenge those who think it is no big deal to go up to a group of Native Americans and say "How you redskins doing today?"

Let us know how it works out.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

If this will end all racism in America, let's change the name.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

I challenge those who think it is no big deal to go up to a group of Native Americans and say "How you redskins doing today?"

Let us know how it works out.
Probably as well as going up to a group of blacks and saying "Hello, my African American brethren", or "Hi there whitey"....

Is that part of your normal routine?
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

Actually, yes. Exterminating "the jews" is a great example.

So saying "the jews" is pejorative, now?
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

It's not the end all be all....but Redskin absolutely has been used as a derogatory term. Suggesting it ALWAYS is one is incorrect, but you can't try and claim that it's not been used in that way at some point.

Pale face is a derogatory term as well. I don't get all wound up about it.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

Pale face is a derogatory term as well. I don't get all wound up about it.

So far you've responded to my post twice, both times with strawmen that doesn't address what I was actually saying and responding to.

Just because you've never heard it used in a derogatory fashion doesn't mean it hasn't been at some ponit.

Just because you wouldn't get wound up about a different derogatory word, or don't think people should get wound up about this being used as derogatory word, doesn't mean that it never has been used as a derogatory word.

It's quite possible, and intellectually honest, to acknowledge that "Redskin" has been used at some points by some people in a derogatory fashion and still acknowledge it's ONLY meaning or usage is not one that is derogatory in nature.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

So far you've responded to my post twice, both times with strawmen that doesn't address what I was actually saying and responding to.

Just because you've never heard it used in a derogatory fashion doesn't mean it hasn't been at some ponit.

Just because you wouldn't get wound up about a different derogatory word, or don't think people should get wound up about this being used as derogatory word, doesn't mean that it never has been used as a derogatory word.

It's quite possible, and intellectually honest, to acknowledge that "Redskin" has been used at some points by some people in a derogatory fashion and still acknowledge it's ONLY meaning or usage is not one that is derogatory in nature.
And both times I am telling you its only very thin skinned people bent on FINDING something to be offended about.
 
Good, it's always been despicable to have this racist genocidal crap being cheered for at the nation's capital. If up to me, i'd demolish their stadium and disband the team. The NFL only gives a damn about marketing. Well, i will never take part in their product so long as this is tolerated.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

It's quite possible, and intellectually honest, to acknowledge that "Redskin" has been used at some points by some people in a derogatory fashion and still acknowledge it's ONLY meaning or usage is not one that is derogatory in nature.

That's not a decision for white billionaires to make. I respect infinitely more the protest being made by native tribes.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

That's not a decision for white billionaires to make. I respect infinitely more the protest being made by native tribes.

You're right, it's not a decision for "white billionaires" to make. It's also not a decision for white media members to make either.

I've got factual evidence of polls showing 90% of native americans don't believe the name needs to be changed. You have a handful of tribes and native american activists complaining about it. I respect infinitely more the majority as opposed to the loud minority trying to claim they speak for the majority.
 
The Redskins should keep their name. Neither so called "social justice" activists, nor the most easily offended members of a minority group should be the ones to determine what is and what is not offensive, and I think that's what's going on here. Here's my test for whether a word is offensive. Is it recognizable as offensive? Correct me if i'm wrong, but in the case of "redskin", i don't think it would occur to anyone to refer to a native american person as a redskin (before activists created this controversy at least). I've never heard of a contemporary native american being called a redskin. When people think of the words "gook" or "chink", they think asian slur. When people think of the word "nigger", they think black slur. When people thought of the word "redskins", they thought of a football team. If the only reason people believe that a word is offensive is because professional activists told them that it's offensive, then it's not offensive. My opinion is shaped by bitter experiences I had in college. I had to take mandatory classes where professors taught me that i'm "oppressed" and "disadvantaged" (i'm asian american). In my opinion, the media caters to people like that in determining what's offensive while ignoring the views of more moderate people such as myself.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

You're right, it's not a decision for "white billionaires" to make. It's also not a decision for white media members to make either.

I've got factual evidence of polls showing 90% of native americans don't believe the name needs to be changed. You have a handful of tribes and native american activists complaining about it. I respect infinitely more the majority as opposed to the loud minority trying to claim they speak for the majority.

Even if that's the case, i would certainly bet that 90% won't care if it did change either. I tend to not respect the majority opinion about anything. If it was some intellectual elite collection of tribal activists who put the ad together, I'll go with their views.

Fact remains it's still a disgrace to have this in our nation's capital and i don't see why anyone would object vehemently to it being changed, unless it's the team owner's fear of losing some marketing identity, or a dislike of natives.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

Even if that's the case, i would certainly bet that 90% won't care if it did change either. I tend to not respect the majority opinion about anything. If it was some intellectual elite collection of tribal activists who put the ad together, I'll go with their views.

Fact remains it's still a disgrace to have this in our nation's capital and i don't see why anyone would object vehemently to it being changed, unless it's the team owner's fear of losing some marketing identity, or a dislike of natives.
The Redskins aren't in our nation's capital, they're in Landover, MD. Back in the 90s, when the Redskins' owner requested a new stadium, Washington DC wouldn't allow it unless a team name change was part of the deal. They built the new stadium in Landover, MD instead.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

Even if that's the case, i would certainly bet that 90% won't care if it did change either. I tend to not respect the majority opinion about anything. If it was some intellectual elite collection of tribal activists who put the ad together, I'll go with their views.

Wow. So if a few "elites" deem something to be "offensive" enough to warrant actions, the will of the masses is irrelevant because the "elites" somehow deserve more credence because......what? That they're louder? Beautiful logic there.

Fact remains it's still a disgrace to have this in our nation's capital

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and i don't see why anyone would object vehemently to it being changed, unless it's the team owner's fear of losing some marketing identity, or a dislike of natives.

A desire to maintain tradition and history, and to maintain the identity of the team you've potentially been a fan of for years. A desire to not see political correctness and activist pressure by a small minority bully people into censoring themselves needlessly. A desire for ones previously invested money in team items to remain worthwhile. A desire by some in the native american community to not see their feelings be falsely represented in an effort to change the name of a team they support.

I could go on, but I don't have to because in the reality your premise is flawed.

The question is not why someone would object to changing it. Those who don't want it changed are in favor of the status quo. They don't have to "want" anything. It is incumbant upon those screaming for it to change to put forth a compelling enough argument as to why it SHOULD change.
 
Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

I find it amusing that this whole debate is void of common sense. Why would an NFL team pick a name to be derogatory? It wouldn't. Bottom line is that the name was picked to symbolize and embrace the fierce fighting spirit of native americans. Its complimentary actually.

The issue is simply the perpetually offensive, those that are offended by everything. If they take issue with the Redskins's name, don't watch their games. Pretty simple really.
 
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