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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Went to high school with a "Bayou Ni&&er". His family's term not mine. It was the first time I had heard that. But they were from the swamps of Louisiana.
    I have actually never heard that term in my life here. It could be something that his family came up with, or something that part of Louisiana says but I'm not familiar with it, we do have a lot of odd terms though.
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I do believe that depends on which generation you ask, I know a lot of the older black folks I have talked to hate that aspect of the genre.
    The race's perception of the word is irrelevant as to whether or not it perpetuates a stereotype. The majority of the black population is bellow the age of 40. I'm not saying all are rap listeners but a pretty good percentage are. Does their opinion on the subject change whether or not a word perpetuates a stereotype? Using what the majority of Native Americans think about a word is the old "I have a black friend who disagrees!" argument. It's irrelevant in the grand scope of the discussion. Like arguing that women should serve men because we've had female members on this forum who enjoy being subservient or because the FLDS endorses such nonsense.
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The race's perception of the word is irrelevant as to whether or not it perpetuates a stereotype. The majority of the black population is bellow the age of 40. I'm not saying all are rap listeners but a pretty good percentage are. Does their opinion on the subject change whether or not a word perpetuates a stereotype? Using what the majority of Native Americans think about a word is the old "I have a black friend who disagrees!" argument. It's irrelevant in the grand scope of the discussion. Like arguing that women should serve men because we've had female members on this forum who enjoy being subservient or because the FLDS endorses such nonsense.
    You really think that this is anything more than the PC police just making **** up? It's simple man, predominantly Indian schools are using the same mascot, for every one of the five people the Dems trotted out to complain, hundreds are saying it's not an issue. If the people supposedly affected don't care, why should I?
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Doesn't matter, we are taking the concept of expanded offense to it's logical conclusion. Political correctness is the most ridiculous abuse of language and socializing ever come up with, so if we are going to play by the "offense" rules, where everything that might be an offense to someone is taboo, then everything must be removed because let's face it, someone of the Saginaw tribe may not want to be associated with a non-tribal area of Michigan and it just might offend them.
    You do realize that this has nothing to do with association... yes? Or usage of a term outside of political boundaries? It has to do with the very dangerous corporate exploitation of a term used to demonize and attack Native Americans. Again, Saginaw is the correct term for a people. That's why nobody is offended by it. It's also why people don't get offended at names like French Quarter, Chinatown or Spanish Dock. Now try calling those places Faggot Quarter, Chinktown and Wetback Dock and see if people are offended or not.
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That doesn't make etymological sense. Why would one race be referred to as "<color> <man>" and the other "<color> <skin>". That's inherently degrading to the race not called man.
    You are right, I was making a point with a more commonly known native American term that relied on skin color. The oldest documented use of the term "Red Skin" in English was used by a Midwestern Chieftain in a negotiation with Envoys of President James Madison:

    "I have never injured you, and innocence can feel no fear. I turn to all red skins and white skins, and challenge an accusation against me." (source)

    The term Redskin is a direct translation of the word used by Midwestern Native Americans for all native people. (source)

    I think you're the one lying or mistaken.
    I was mistaken, but not in the way you think.

    The liar is Suzan Harjo, the person at the center of the myriad of lawsuits against the Washington Redskins. She has made claims as the the origin of the termn Redskins, such as being the name given to bloody scalps of Native Americans, that have, time and again, been thrown our of court for lack of any historical verification. The historical documentation, as has been shown, shows the word being used by native Americans for themselves.

    Harjo created a false story behind the name that too many people bought over the years.

    So yeah, that ad is a lie, Suzan Harjo is a liar, and the name should be aloud to stay.
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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People need to grow up and stop concerning themselves with what teams are named.
    Really?

    So if they changed the name to the 'Child Molesters'...you would say the same thing?

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You really think that this is anything more than the PC police just making **** up?
    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Redskin as a derogatory term is nothing made up or new.

    If the people supposedly affected don't care, why should I?
    No one has asked you to care. It doesn't deter from the fact that it's still pushing for racial stereotypes.
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    Anti-Redskins ad airing during NBA Finals[W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Really?

    So if they changed the name to the 'Child Molesters'...you would say the same thing?
    That's not the same thing. The Redskins aren't named that because they want their team to have a denigrating, offensive name. They're named that to honor Native American heritage. A team wouldn't call themselves something that they hate and that people hate.

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    The "I have a black friend" argument is attempting to excuse ones action towards the whole because of treatment of a single.

    The argument that women should be subservient because a few individual women on this forum have expressed they felt that way is attempting to suggest the majority should act in the way a minority wants.

    The argument that the vast MAJORITY of native americans don't believe the name needs to change is not "like" either of those. In both of those you're referencing a small minority as justification for action towards the majority.

    If anything, pointing at a random individual native american saying it should change and using that as justification that it needs to change because it's offensive "to native americans" is closer to "I have a black friend" then the other way around.

    The words origin is not that of a slur. The words history is not singularly that of a slur. The words use as the name of a team is not meant as a slur. The majority of native americans don't view the name as something that needs to change. The majority of americans don't view the name as something that needs to change. But SIMPLY because a small minority claim they're offended by it then we're told it must change becuase it's "racism" and damaging society.

    And pointing that out is the thing that's supposed to be like saying "I've got a black friend"?

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    Re: Tonighjt June 11 Watch The NBA Half Time For A Redskins Protest of Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Redskin as a derogatory term is nothing made up or new.



    No one has asked you to care. It doesn't deter from the fact that it's still pushing for racial stereotypes.
    Wikipedia is not the be all end all for definitions. Seeing as anyone can edit it.

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