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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why would there be? You think Iran sends pilots to set up IEDs and ambush villagers?
    No but considering the rate and pace that territory and equipment is being lost to the Jihadies it would make sense to have one available in the area in case an opportunity arose. You seem to think that Johnny Jihad is a bunch of amateurs and its amateur hour. I have dealt these types of bastards personally before and it is stupid to underestimate them. I hate their guts and would kill every one of them and their kin if given the chance, that said I have a very healthy respect for them would NEVER take chances with them. If they acquired helicopters then the Iranians or whoever else might just send pilots to use them if only for a one or two missions. Helicopters would make a very powerful and flexible VBED. Not to mention just as a support gunship if they mount heavy guns in the doors. I would not be surprised in the least if they are using them as we write.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    No but considering the rate and pace that territory and equipment is being lost to the Jihadies it would make sense to have one available in the area in case an opportunity arose.
    Opportunity for what, flying a helicopter into a nearby building?

    The first time one of those birds lift, it'll be blown out of the sky.

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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Maybe they don't feel their leadership and lifestyle options are worth defending. We left a shiitehole in Iraq, but the OIL is in the Centralized Distribution Network and moving around priced in USDollars. Yesireee, a complete success for Exxon/Mobil and the Corporate Oligarchy especially the MIC. Ain't this freedom and liberty stuff a little hard to get a grip on when it is CORPORATIZED? Very profitable, however. Not for USA taxpayers, but the Corporate Oligarchy. Golly gee, and they're just getting started in Ukraine. Except for a lot of dead non-combatants, women, children, Grandma and the dog, it's just gonna be a veritable cornucopia of largesse for the status quo of Western Oligarchy. Screw a bunch of freedom and liberty, there's large bucks to be made. Let's see, that would be CAPITALISM, no CORPORATISM, no, business as usual when your MILITARY OFFENSE budget is greater than all the rest of the World's military budgets combined. I must be cornfused, this doesn't sound too good for the Sound Byte Society of "they hate us for our freedoms," or other pearls of insanity getting worked up in our collective oyster mainstream media. The USA specialty is WAR. I will repeat what a Vietnamese lady friend told me in 1966, "How do you help the Vietnamese by bringing war and death to our Country?" Just keep changing the name of the Country and keep repeating the question. However the WARS are very profitable, but not for John Doe or Maury Two-Fingers. Nevertheless the financiers (BANKSTERS), Arms Manufactureres (MIC), and Energy distributors (PETRO-GAS-etc.) are doing very well and most of the USA is too fat anyway, so a little leaning is a good thing, eh?
    The leadership and lifestyle may have something to do with it. The freedom and liberty stuff which is so important to us, may not be to them. The Vietnamese liked their mandarin style of government they had for a thousand years, then during the war we made them change to democracy. Democracy wasn't at all important to them. Most at least towards the end of the war just wanted it over, they really didn't care what form of government they would have.

    I don’t know this for sure, but the same thing may apply to Iraq. They may want a government based upon their religion and not democracy. We seem to think since democracy is great for us, it will be great for every other country, culture, in the world. That is not so. Hating us for our freedom, not really, a lot of countries think our society is decadent, perhaps because of too much freedom. But we do have a nasty habit of trying to push our values on other countries, some of which want nothing to do with our values or form of government.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Opportunity for what, flying a helicopter into a nearby building?

    The first time one of those birds lift, it'll be blown out of the sky.
    Whos going to shoot it down? The Iraqi army doesn't seem to be doing anything but dropping their arms and heading for the hills.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The leadership and lifestyle may have something to do with it. The freedom and liberty stuff which is so important to us, may not be to them. The Vietnamese like their mandarin style of government they had for a thousand years, then during the war we made them change to democracy. Democracy wasnít at all important to them. Most at least towards the end of the war just wanted it over, they really didnít care what form of government they would have.

    I donít know this for sure, but the same thing may apply to Iraq. They may want a government based upon their religion and not democracy. We seem to think since democracy is great for us, it will be great for every other country, culture, in the world. That is not so. Hating us for our freedom, not really, a lot of countries think our society is decadent, perhaps because of too much freedom. But we do have a nasty habit of trying to push our values on other countries, some of which want nothing to do with our values or form of government.
    George Washington was right we really need to be more like Switzerland when it comes to foreign policy.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    George Washington was right we really need to be more like Switzerland when it comes to foreign policy.
    I'd settle for not sticking our nose into every other countries business. Especially when those countries don't want our nose around.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'd settle for not sticking our nose into every other countries business.
    Especially when those countries don't want our nose around.
    Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence?
    And yes this really pisses me off.
    My response would be to give the AQ a very quiet but sturn warning that we will drone the copters ASAP.

    As to your post, you know me.
    If not us, who?
    If not now, when?
    Are you really willing to unilaterally allow AQ to sweep through the Middle East?

    Btw, Cantor is not the last big upset, both parties .
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence?
    And yes this really pisses me off.
    My response would be to give the AQ a very quiet but sturn warning that we will drone the copters ASAP.

    As to your post, you know me.
    If not us, who?
    If not now, when?
    Are you really willing to unilaterally allow AQ to sweep through the Middle East?

    Btw, Cantor is not the last big upset, both parties .

    Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence? No, but they made their choice. I have no problems in destroying the helicopter. Destroying it would be a good idea, if Maliki goes along with it.

    The if we allowed Iraq to choose the form of government they wanted, perhaps all of this wouldn’t be happening. I was never a fan of nation building.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why would there be? You think Iran sends pilots to set up IEDs and ambush villagers?
    The Russians and the Iranians will gladly show them how to fly those birds.
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    Re: Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I am surprised we cant disable it remotely.
    IMO, ANY high-tech weapon we send to another country should have some kind of remote kill switch installed. For a Blackhawk, the entertaining form would be a switch that disconnected the main rotor blades on demand. That way, our troops could sit back watch as the bad guys swoop into attack them and then suddenly find themselves without any lift whatsoever. The realistic version would be a simple command that would disable the fly-by-wire, put the helo into auto-rotate mode and watch it "float" to the ground.
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