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Al Qaeda Militants Capture US-Made Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

George Washington was right we really need to be more like Switzerland when it comes to foreign policy.

I'd settle for not sticking our nose into every other countries business. Especially when those countries don't want our nose around.
 
I'd settle for not sticking our nose into every other countries business.
Especially when those countries don't want our nose around.
Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence?
And yes this really pisses me off.
My response would be to give the AQ a very quiet but sturn warning that we will drone the copters ASAP.

As to your post, you know me.
If not us, who?
If not now, when?
Are you really willing to unilaterally allow AQ to sweep through the Middle East?

Btw, Cantor is not the last big upset, both parties .
 
Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence?
And yes this really pisses me off.
My response would be to give the AQ a very quiet but sturn warning that we will drone the copters ASAP.

As to your post, you know me.
If not us, who?
If not now, when?
Are you really willing to unilaterally allow AQ to sweep through the Middle East?

Btw, Cantor is not the last big upset, both parties .


Does Iraq really have a unified voice to our presence? No, but they made their choice. I have no problems in destroying the helicopter. Destroying it would be a good idea, if Maliki goes along with it.

The if we allowed Iraq to choose the form of government they wanted, perhaps all of this wouldn’t be happening. I was never a fan of nation building.
 
Why would there be? You think Iran sends pilots to set up IEDs and ambush villagers?

The Russians and the Iranians will gladly show them how to fly those birds.
 
I am surprised we cant disable it remotely.

IMO, ANY high-tech weapon we send to another country should have some kind of remote kill switch installed. For a Blackhawk, the entertaining form would be a switch that disconnected the main rotor blades on demand. That way, our troops could sit back watch as the bad guys swoop into attack them and then suddenly find themselves without any lift whatsoever. The realistic version would be a simple command that would disable the fly-by-wire, put the helo into auto-rotate mode and watch it "float" to the ground.
 
No but considering the rate and pace that territory and equipment is being lost to the Jihadies it would make sense to have one available in the area in case an opportunity arose. You seem to think that Johnny Jihad is a bunch of amateurs and its amateur hour. I have dealt these types of bastards personally before and it is stupid to underestimate them. I hate their guts and would kill every one of them and their kin if given the chance, that said I have a very healthy respect for them would NEVER take chances with them. If they acquired helicopters then the Iranians or whoever else might just send pilots to use them if only for a one or two missions. Helicopters would make a very powerful and flexible VBED. Not to mention just as a support gunship if they mount heavy guns in the doors. I would not be surprised in the least if they are using them as we write.

The current Govt. of Iraq grew up in Iran, they also supply gasoline to Iran violating UN sanctions. Iran would send pilots to fly helicopters in support of the Iraqi Govt. not against them. In fact this uprising is Iran's problem not ours. Sunni's which is the sect that Alqueada belongs are sworn enemies of Iranian Shiites.
 
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The current Govt. of Iraq grew up in Iran, they also supply gasoline to Iran violating UN sanctions. Iran would send pilots to fly helicopters in support of the Iraqi Govt. not against them. In fact this uprising is Iran's problem not ours. Sunni's which is the sect that Alqueada belongs are sworn enemies of Iranian Shiites.

I am not sure who the current Jihadi twits belong to you could be right. I did hear that apparently the Iraqi government is asking the Kurds to assist in the removal of the vermin though so maybe the Iranians wont be involved directly. Anyhow I hope we stay out of it.
 
IMO, ANY high-tech weapon we send to another country should have some kind of remote kill switch installed. For a Blackhawk, the entertaining form would be a switch that disconnected the main rotor blades on demand. That way, our troops could sit back watch as the bad guys swoop into attack them and then suddenly find themselves without any lift whatsoever. The realistic version would be a simple command that would disable the fly-by-wire, put the helo into auto-rotate mode and watch it "float" to the ground.


That's a double edged sword. One has to be very careful with that capability, as it can be used against you.
 
I can't find any reference to helicopters being captured in the article. Is it in the embedded video?

'But the worst news by far for the US is that as a result of the takeover of Mosul by ISIS forces, an unknown number, and at least one, US ultramodern Blackhawk and Kiowa helicopters parked at the Mosul airport, are now in, you guessed it, Al Qaeda hands.'

Go to near the bottom of the page...just above the twitter tweets.
 
They have a Kiowa??? Good god Iraq is doomed. :roll:
 
'But the worst news by far for the US is that as a result of the takeover of Mosul by ISIS forces, an unknown number, and at least one, US ultramodern Blackhawk and Kiowa helicopters parked at the Mosul airport, are now in, you guessed it, Al Qaeda hands.'

Go to near the bottom of the page...just above the twitter tweets.

Thanks.

I am curious what model of Blackhawk that is. And what is the deal with that refueling probe. Also are there any more pics of this helicopter? I can't find anything that states Iraq is an operator of the Blackhawk. I am trying to get that video to pull up, does it show the helicopter.
 
Thanks.

I am curious what model of Blackhawk that is. And what is the deal with that refueling probe. Also are there any more pics of this helicopter? I can't find anything that states Iraq is an operator of the Blackhawk. I am trying to get that video to pull up, does it show the helicopter.

I can't help you there...I can't find them either (that Iraq operates Blackhawk's). It would not surprise me (they just started taking delivery of F-16's)...but I cannot confirm it.

Lockheed Martin delivers first F-16 to Iraqi air force | Business | Dallas Business, Tex...
 
They have a Kiowa??? Good god Iraq is doomed. :roll:

What troubling aspect is not the Kiowa per se. What is really troubling is what it signifies. The helicopters were captured at the airport. Not only are airports more defendable, but many developing countries keep a good number of paramilitary police on site at all times. They can also be reinforced quickly.

In this case, the Iraqi security forces collapsed so completely that they were not only unable to rally at the airport, but they did not even take easily movable equipment (assuming the helicopters were fylable) with them when they fled.
 
What troubling aspect is not the Kiowa per se. What is really troubling is what it signifies. The helicopters were captured at the airport. Not only are airports more defendable, but many developing countries keep a good number of paramilitary police on site at all times. They can also be reinforced quickly.

In this case, the Iraqi security forces collapsed so completely that they were not only unable to rally at the airport, but they did not even take easily movable equipment (assuming the helicopters were fylable) with them when they fled.

The collapse of the Iraqi military in Mosul is certainly of enormous concern, you are right. I just don't see the point in emphasizing that they captured some of these helicopters because it isn't a big deal. The collapse, as you identify, is what is important.
 
The collapse of the Iraqi military in Mosul is certainly of enormous concern, you are right. I just don't see the point in emphasizing that they captured some of these helicopters because it isn't a big deal. The collapse, as you identify, is what is important.

Hopefully, the Kurish forces can take Mosul back. If they do, they may well end up keeping it as a new addition to Kurdistan though.
 
Whos going to shoot it down? The Iraqi army doesn't seem to be doing anything but dropping their arms and heading for the hills.

True, I'll bet Malaki would just have loved to have some A10's and a few helicopters with qualified airmen to take ISIS out while they were motoring to different cities in Iraq. Would have been like shooting fish in a barrel, like the US did on that road to Baghdad from Kuwait in desert storm.

I saw a video clip of ISIS traveling single file on a desert road, it would have been too easy.

 
It seems obvious that the Mosul civilian leadership and military leadership were "in the bag" for the ISIS assault. I don't hear of many shots being fired, so it looks more like genuine Iraqi "rebels" against Maliki's authoritarian Shia leadership. I also suspect US involvement because of the lack of Satellite and CIA boots on the ground information warning of the attack. This is all very good for the Saudi OIL interests and profitability and money motives that move the World. The Sunnis and the Kurds appear to have revolted against the Baghdad leadership. Ergo, follow the money and see who has been supporting these insurgencies at a discreet level. The USA had been arming ISIS with Libyan weapons funneled through the US Embassy in Benghazi and money as well. Turkey had been assisting the ISIS. The Saudis have been funding and arming the ISIS. Is the picture beginning to come into focus yet? An army of 30,000 troops, as in Mosul, doesn't fight if its' leadership tells it not to fight. Focus, focus, concentrate on reality, turn off your Mainstream Media and find out what is really going on.
 
Many of the refugees talk of disenchantment with the Malaki government, who've shown little inclination for reconciling with the Sunni population. They don't fear the ISIS, but they do fear indiscriminate retaliatory air-strikes from their own government. It would be no huge step for Malaki to descend into Assad mode.
 
Many of the refugees talk of disenchantment with the Malaki government, who've shown little inclination for reconciling with the Sunni population. They don't fear the ISIS, but they do fear indiscriminate retaliatory air-strikes from their own government. It would be no huge step for Malaki to descend into Assad mode.

They fear ISIS more than you think.
 
He might beg Obama for a do-over on that.

How's that song go? "It's too late baby, now it's too late" ?

He'd need to show his appreciation by humping Obama's leg first, I think.
 
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