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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

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    Probably most if not all Walmart trucks.



    Yeah, they keep tinkering because demand for goods and getting it there is so critical. Puts greater pressure on transportation companies and drivers to deliver.
    I would say all Wal-Mart company trucks.

    They keep tinkering with it because the new rules are stupid.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It was unlawful back when I drove too. I sometimes kept 3 log books, we used to call them comic books.

    Got stopped in Alabama once, the trooper ordered me out of the cab and stepped up and grabbed my log book, I'm sort of glad he didn't grab the wrong one, as it was, I was written for not writing in coming out of the sleeper and back on duty. A stupid mistake. But, when I was tired, I would turn down runs and loads, I wasn't their most liked driver at CP America.
    That's why I like my electric log; when it's quittin time, it's quittin time. **** all that super trucker bull****.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    First all of the news broadcasts I have seen say the truck "slammed" in to the vehicle. It is not true.

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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

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    Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept



    This is inexplicable, how can this happen? Aren't those Walmart drivers tracked per DOT regulations? If they are, why didn't his dispatcher tell him he needed time off?

    This accident should never have happened IMO.
    it is highly illegal to cook the books when running the clock,tattlers are there to tell,so the company must have known it was going on.

    the dot takes semi trucks seriously,after all most highways allow up to 80k pounds or 40 tons carried by these trucks,making them deadly in any crash.if the driver was found cooking the books to get more money or cheating the tracking computer,he will likely face jail time since injury and death were involved.however from my experience whenever any otr diesel company has such an accident,the dot tends to come in like their the fbi and start grabbing all records related to that driver,his supervisor etc,well atleast in texas they do,and they tend to nail everyone responsible not just the lowest on the ladder involved.


    this is why most companies do such strenuous paperwork,so if such an event does happen,they can rule out their guy or show his guilt,so anyone smart in such a position crosses his t's amd dots his i's,and does everything within legality.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    it is highly illegal to cook the books when running the clock,tattlers are there to tell,so the company must have known it was going on.

    the dot takes semi trucks seriously,after all most highways allow up to 80k pounds or 40 tons carried by these trucks,making them deadly in any crash.if the driver was found cooking the books to get more money or cheating the tracking computer,he will likely face jail time since injury and death were involved.however from my experience whenever any otr diesel company has such an accident,the dot tends to come in like their the fbi and start grabbing all records related to that driver,his supervisor etc,well atleast in texas they do,and they tend to nail everyone responsible not just the lowest on the ladder involved.


    this is why most companies do such strenuous paperwork,so if such an event does happen,they can rule out their guy or show his guilt,so anyone smart in such a position crosses his t's amd dots his i's,and does everything within legality.
    In all farness, we don't know what evidence the prosecuter has to back up his accusation.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In all farness, we don't know what evidence the prosecuter has to back up his accusation.
    well we dont,but trucks have black boxes like planes do,as well as tattlers,plus all paperwork is required by law to be maintained.the books can be cooked so long as an accident never happens and no one has a reason to check them,but records will show if the driver was at fault,his supervisor,or both.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    well we dont,but trucks have black boxes like planes do,as well as tattlers,plus all paperwork is required by law to be maintained.the books can be cooked so long as an accident never happens and no one has a reason to check them,but records will show if the driver was at fault,his supervisor,or both.
    If he was running on electric logs--Qualcom, Peoplenet, etc--the log book can't be falsified, without the system flagging the violation/alteration.

    Something I can't help but wonder, does the prosecuter mean that the driver didn't get any sleep during an off duty period? Either during his 10 hour break, or his 34 hour break. That would be harder to prove and require some eye wtness testimony and not necessarily a "violation", but would definitely place all the liability on the driver.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If he was running on electric logs--Qualcom, Peoplenet, etc--the log book can't be falsified, without the system flagging the violation/alteration.

    Something I can't help but wonder, does the prosecuter mean that the driver didn't get any sleep during an off duty period? Either during his 10 hour break, or his 34 hour break. That would be harder to prove and require some eye wtness testimony and not necessarily a "violation", but would definitely place all the liability on the driver.
    whether he cheated or he couldnt sleep would be determined in court.

    however even with electronic logs,the book can be cheated,but it requires alot more than just the driver.say for example his logs were sent strait to the company,the person in charge would have to be in on it knowing that he was cheating,or in the other scenario he tampered with the black box.its getting harder and harder to tamper with black boxes and tattlers but to thhis day ive seen people do it,ofcouse it only lasts so long as dot is not involved,because the dot can easily determine if the system has been tamptered with,but overall they dont check everyone,as the manpower involved would be too much,so they tend to review results aftermath.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    whether he cheated or he couldnt sleep would be determined in court.

    however even with electronic logs,the book can be cheated,but it requires alot more than just the driver.say for example his logs were sent strait to the company,the person in charge would have to be in on it knowing that he was cheating,or in the other scenario he tampered with the black box.its getting harder and harder to tamper with black boxes and tattlers but to thhis day ive seen people do it,ofcouse it only lasts so long as dot is not involved,because the dot can easily determine if the system has been tamptered with,but overall they dont check everyone,as the manpower involved would be too much,so they tend to review results aftermath.

    Neither the driver, nor the company can cheat the electric logs, period. The operator of the system--in my case it's peoplenet--can see everything we do. Peoplenet will automatically terminate the service and report the company to the Feds in the event the company is found altering the system. These companies have millions of dollars at stake and aren't going to lose it because a trucking company wants to outlaw their logs. Electric log operators like Peoplenet and Qualcomm are under a Federal microscope and have to be approved by the Feds to even market their product.

    Paper logs can be faked all day long, but not electric logs.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Neither the driver, nor the company can cheat the electric logs, period. The operator of the system--in my case it's peoplenet--can see everything we do. Peoplenet will automatically terminate the service and report the company to the Feds in the event the company is found altering the system. These companies have millions of dollars at stake and aren't going to lose it because a trucking company wants to outlaw their logs. Electric log operators like Peoplenet and Qualcomm are under a Federal microscope and have to be approved by the Feds to even market their product.

    Paper logs can be faked all day long, but not electric logs.
    it might depend on the company or state regs as well,i know in texas people still cheat the system,and dont get caught until an accident when the dot siezes all records and reviews them.

    fyi systems that detect alteration have been around awhile,ofcourse people wanting to make more money tend to be ingenious,and have cheated software,hence why the dot reviews all facets,if any system was fullproof we wouldnt have needed so many paper backups logs and mechanical tattlers.
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