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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They left out the fact that 80% of the time the commercial driver isn't at fault in car-truck crashes.

    80 percent of car-truck crashes caused by car drivers, ATA report says | Commercial Carrier Journal
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    More hours on the road is always the push for a truck driver. There are two professions I have found in my life that breed self-imposed competative sleep deprivation: US Military and Truck Drivers. THey like to trade war stories on how long they stay awake. Today the competition isn't there anymore since a lot of truck drivers are starting to use Provigil to stay awake for days at a time. Hell, with that ABC write up I am wondering why I am not on Provigil....

    This guy obviously wasn't on Provigil.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Disagree unless you can prove someone higher up ordered the driver to break DOT rules. If supervisors told drivers to fudge the rules. Then yes, the driver and the supervisor needs to be held accountable.

    People need to take responsibility for their actions. Start with the driver. Even if a supervisor stated to the driver your on for 24+, the driver should have said, no way.
    I think any time an employer orders you to knowingly do something that violates the law they take a healthy slice of responsibility for what happens.

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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They left out the fact that 80% of the time the commercial driver isn't at fault in car-truck crashes.

    80 percent of car-truck crashes caused by car drivers, ATA report says | Commercial Carrier Journal
    I think a lot of people have a bad habit of getting behind the wheel when they should be sleeping.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with you, and someone higher than the driver needs to take ownership of this.
    I agree. I drove OTR for awhile, my dispatchers always, always asked me if I were ready to run before giving me anything. If I were not, I told them I was not. Sometimes they weren't happy to hear a NO, but they understood the fine line of being safe behind the wheel and not.

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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Having read NTSB aviation accident reports for years one thing that becomes clear is that there is no one cause for an accident. Further if you dig deep enough you'll find systemic problems at the root of most accidents. Putting it all on the most proximate cause - in the case the driver not sleeping - is usually a gross oversimplification and keeps us from actually fixing the root causes of accidents.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Charged with what the driver was charged with, I would venture to say he was on the clock.

    If he was dispatched, he should have told the dispatcher he needed rest or sleep. two wrongs don't make a right, besides, most GOOD dispatchers will ask drivers if they are ready to run.
    Yep. It would appear that he did not.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    I think any time an employer orders you to knowingly do something that violates the law they take a healthy slice of responsibility for what happens.
    agreed to a point. . Nothing in the OP article says anything about the employer ordering the driver to violate the law. The driver has the ultimate responsibility.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    This surprises me. My daughter is a dedicated driver now in the Southeast, but used to drive OTR. Her company is extremely strict on allowing them when to drive and when not to drive. They have only a certain amount of hours per day to drive, per DOT regulations. All logs are electronic now, so it's a lot harder to fudge. Also, she told me that Walmart is very, very strict on it's drivers.

    A lot of unanswered questions, but the news is definitely saying that lack of sleep was the issue for the driver.
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    Re: Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    agreed to a point. The driver has the ultimate responsibility.
    An employee certainly bears some responsibility but I don't know about ultimate responsibility. Certainly not legally.

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