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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. Yale Law, worked in a firm, taught at a university, helped found and worked for several organizations...


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    Millions of Americans have those qualifications and that does not mean they are qualified to be president
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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Millions of Americans have those qualifications and that does not mean they are qualified to be president
    And what are the qualifications for president?

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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And what are the qualifications for president?
    A U. S. citizen of a certain age and be nominated by your party
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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    30 years old, citizen for at least nine years and inhabits the state intended to represent.
    A petrified cucumber would fit the same bill without the destruction left in its wake.
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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Even the most staunch of conservatives has a tough time giving up a government benefit once he is receiving it, most especially when he has no guarantee he won't be the ONLY one giving up the benefit. The government now is providing some kind of government benefit targeted at more than 50% of the American people. And they have the ability to stack the votes to ensure that nobody is going to unseat them and the power to effectively destroy or marginalize most of those who try or who give them any major grief.
    I guess I just don't buy that. I think benefits have a history and largely represent what voters thought was a good idea. And when I look around, we are largely better off with them. It's fantasy that employment would be noticeably higher without these benefits, for example.

    Isn't it a bit of elitism to think one us smarter than other voters? To think they must be something wrong if it doesn't turn out the way one wants? No, the buck stops with the voter. They hold the power.

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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I guess I just don't buy that. I think benefits have a history and largely represent what voters thought was a good idea. And when I look around, we are largely better off with them. It's fantasy that employment would be noticeably higher without these benefits, for example.

    Isn't it a bit of elitism to think one us smarter than other voters? To think they must be something wrong if it doesn't turn out the way one wants? No, the buck stops with the voter. They hold the power.
    We can agree to disagree. I know a lot of people who HATE what the government is doing and KNOW that it is wrong, but they are unwilling to risk whatever break or benefit they are getting from the government out of fear that it won't be replaced with anything better--that they might lose the benefit while nothing else changes. THAT, plus the most dumbed down and clueless electorate I can remember in my entire lifetime, is your current typical voter.

    Chances are you have never experienced what America was like before government started manipulating everything we do and are, including our votes. So of course you can't imagine not having those benefits. And perhaps a $17+ trillion dollar debt that is growing by billions daily isn't a concern for you. It is for me.
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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    We can agree to disagree. I know a lot of people who HATE what the government is doing and KNOW that it is wrong, but they are unwilling to risk whatever break or benefit they are getting from the government out of fear that it won't be replaced with anything better--that they might lose the benefit while nothing else changes. THAT, plus the most dumbed down and clueless electorate I can remember in my entire lifetime, is your current typical voter.

    Chances are you have never experienced what America was like before government started manipulating everything we do and are, including our votes. So of course you can't imagine not having those benefits. And perhaps a $17+ trillion dollar debt that is growing by billions daily isn't a concern for you. It is for me.
    Well, I'm 55 and I remember distinctly when my father left with his secretary, leaving us to free fall from Arlington Heights in Jacksonville Florida to the Brentwood projects. I remember eating beans and cheese as a staple because it was given out free each month. I remember suffering from blood poisoning as a child due to insect bites living in the chest pool that was the projects.

    Certainly laws against fathers have helped. Improvements in welfare have helped. But catering to business hasn't.

    Regardless, the voter holds the power. If the choose not to exercise it, so be it. It is our system. Would you point to a better system you prefer?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Dear God NO! What is wrong with this country....
    I'd say it is a given this was going to happen. Lack of qualifications did not stop her husband from climbing his way up to POTUS. I'd always just assumed they would move back to Chicago and she would do this and I expect the electorate there will gladly line up and put her into office. So yeah, get used to the idea because if I were a betting man I'd bet she will run and win. Though I supposed there is the outside chance that things could get much worse for the Obama "brand" between now and then end of her husband's term.

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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    I'd say it is a given this was going to happen. Lack of qualifications did not stop her husband from climbing his way up to POTUS. I'd always just assumed they would move back to Chicago and she would do this and I expect the electorate there will gladly line up and put her into office. So yeah, get used to the idea because if I were a betting man I'd bet she will run and win. Though I supposed there is the outside chance that things could get much worse for the Obama "brand" between now and then end of her husband's term.
    If Michelle were to run for the senate in Illinois she would have to do it in 2016 against Republican Mark Kirk, Illinois other senator is a Democrat, Dick Durbin and he ain't going nowhere. Now running a senate campaign out of the White House in your husband's last year as being president could be very tricky. I am not sure running for senator while your husband is president, how that would play or look to the American public as a whole. Hillary waited until Bill was out of office, I think Michelle should too. But like I stated, if she did that and moved back to Illinois, she would have to wait until 2022 to run.

    Perhaps using Hillary as an example the Obama's could move back to Hawaii, but again both senators are Democrats. Perhaps to another New England state? But again with the lone exception of Kelly Ayotte, all are Democrats and like Mark Kirk, she is up for re-election in 2018.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I'm 55 and I remember distinctly when my father left with his secretary, leaving us to free fall from Arlington Heights in Jacksonville Florida to the Brentwood projects. I remember eating beans and cheese as a staple because it was given out free each month. I remember suffering from blood poisoning as a child due to insect bites living in the chest pool that was the projects.

    Certainly laws against fathers have helped. Improvements in welfare have helped. But catering to business hasn't.

    Regardless, the voter holds the power. If the choose not to exercise it, so be it. It is our system. Would you point to a better system you prefer?
    I prefer a system in which the federal government provides the common defense, passes whatever laws are necessary for the various states to function as one cohesive nation, and secures our rights and then leave us the hell alone to live our lives, be who and what we are, and form whatever sorts of societies we wish to have.

    Is there any chance in hell that Senator Michelle and I would be soul mates re that?
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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