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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    UWS.....don't try and re-paint what you can't. Speculate????? .....now that there is a Body Article 32 will take place.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...broke-law.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...dahl-swap.html

    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

    A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter.

    The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his army post, the official said.

    U.S. military and intelligence agencies had made every effort to monitor Bergdahl's location and his health, the official said, through both signals intelligence and a network of spies.....snip~

    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...desertion.html

    UWS, you do need to.....now catch back up to present day and time. Just sayin!

    Or you can even ask all those around here that was hitting up my Poll.
    MMC please cite what article you are quoting from.

    and let me throw this out.

    The report is also said to cite members of his platoon as saying that he may have taken a shorter unauthorized walk outside the concertina wire of his combat outpost in eastern Afghanistan before he left for good, in an episode that was apparently not reported up the chain of command. The newspaper Military Times on Wednesday first reported that claim, also citing officials familiar with the military’s report.

    But the report is said to contain no mention of Sergeant Bergdahl’s having left behind a letter in his tent that explicitly said he was deserting and explained his disillusionment, as a retired senior military official briefed on the investigation at the time told The New York Times this week.

    Asked about what appeared to be a disconnect, the retired officer insisted that he remembered reading a field report discussing the existence of such a letter in the early days of the search and was unable to explain why it was not mentioned in the final investigative report.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/wo...port-says.html

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    MMC please cite what article you are quoting from.

    and let me throw this out.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/wo...port-says.html

    if you think you know all the facts of this story, i think you are wrong.
    UWS you need to go and read those links I have up.....Just sayin.

    Oh and that one was the AP and Yahoo......here it is up here in this thread with More about Bergdahl and what you didn't know.





    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

    A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter.

    Instead, the U.S. government pursued negotiations to get him back over the following five years of his captivity a track that led to his release over the weekend.

    One official, who spoke on grounds of anonymity because the person wasn't authorized to discuss the subject by name, said there were concerns about Bergdahl's mental and emotional as well as physical health.

    And in Kabul Monday, the Afghan Foreign Ministry called the swap "against the norms of international law" if it came against the five imprisoned Taliban detainees' will. The ministry said: "No state can transfer another country's citizen to a third country and put restriction on their freedom."

    The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his army post, the official said.

    U.S. military and intelligence agencies had made every effort to monitor Bergdahl's location and his health, the official said, through both signals intelligence and a network of spies.....snip~

    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away


    Oh, and it was in this thread too. Imagine that!!!!!

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...aptors-10.html

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah back in 2001.....since then they haven't ruled anything but their tribes. Plus what do you have to say about BO not telling the New Afghan Government with their New President about this exchange. The one that signed the agreement to allow us to keep 9800 there and the US for another decade?

    Then what would you say about BO initiating contact with the Taliban.....who had walked away from Peace talks? Oh Talks..... and without the Ruling government of Afghanistan. Can you say Bush did anything like this?
    Besides invading the wrong country, resulting in thousands of needless deaths for our soldiers?
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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    We will go with the one that shows it for what it is.....from the NY Times.
    From an editorial published in the NYT. That is not their reporting. The author is a retired foreign service officer who has called for an end to the US embargo of Cuba and a significant expansion of our financial support to UN efforts in Africa. I take it you also agree her on those issues.

    Let me ask you this: Suppose the Taliban held several American soldiers who were not reported to have left their bases voluntarily. Would you have opposed a prisoner exchange for them?

    Are you aware that civilians being held hostage by the Taliban could also have been exchanged? Only Bergdahl, a POW whether you like it or not, was traded.

    Since yer so enamoured of the NYT reporting of this story, why didn't you comment on the article cited by Unitedwestand13? Here are the opening paragraphs:

    A classified military report detailing the Army’s investigation into the disappearance of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in June 2009 says that he had wandered away from assigned areas before — both at a training range in California and at his remote outpost in Afghanistan — and then returned, according to people briefed on it.

    The roughly 35-page report, completed two months after Sergeant Bergdahl left his unit, concludes that he most likely walked away of his own free will from his outpost in the dark of night, and it criticized lax security practices and poor discipline in his unit. But it stops short of concluding that there is solid evidence that Sergeant Bergdahl, then a private, intended to permanently desert.

    Whether Sergeant Bergdahl was a deserter who never intended to come back, or simply slipped away for a short adventure amid an environment of lax security and discipline and was then captured, is one of many unanswered questions about his disappearance.

    The issue is murky, the report said, in light of Sergeant Bergdahl’s previous episodes of walking off. The report cites accounts from his unit mates that in their predeployment exercise at the Army’s National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Calif., he sneaked or crawled off a designated course or range either to see how far he could go or to see a sunrise or sunset. — "Bergdahl Is Said to Have History of Leaving Post," NYT, June 5, 2014

    That AP report based on information from an anonymous source. It states explicitly that Bergdahl was not even accused of desertion. Others here have pointed that out, but you don't seem to take notice.

    The Pentagon's official position is clear: no conclusions regarding Bergdahl's actions should be made before a thorough investigation can be completed. "Army will conduct 'comprehensive' review of Bergdahl disappearance, captivity," Stars and Stripes, June 3, 2014.

    >>After you get thru all I have in these let me know

    I'm not going to read yer input to any other threads on this topic. Yer posts here have convinced it would be a waste of my time. If you have something worth listening to, you should be able to state it briefly.

    >>then discover how much I Know about this issue

    Like I say, I don't think you have the first clue.

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    From an editorial published in the NYT. That is not their reporting. The author is a retired foreign service officer who has called for an end to the US embargo of Cuba and a significant expansion of our financial support to UN efforts in Africa. I take it you also agree her on those issues.

    Let me ask you this: Suppose the Taliban held several American soldiers who were not reported to have left their bases voluntarily. Would you have opposed a prisoner exchange for them?

    Are you aware that civilians being held hostage by the Taliban could also have been exchanged? Only Bergdahl, a POW whether you like it or not, was traded.

    Since yer so enamoured of the NYT reporting of this story, why didn't you comment on the article cited by Unitedwestand13? Here are the opening paragraphs:

    A classified military report detailing the Army’s investigation into the disappearance of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in June 2009 says that he had wandered away from assigned areas before — both at a training range in California and at his remote outpost in Afghanistan — and then returned, according to people briefed on it.

    The roughly 35-page report, completed two months after Sergeant Bergdahl left his unit, concludes that he most likely walked away of his own free will from his outpost in the dark of night, and it criticized lax security practices and poor discipline in his unit. But it stops short of concluding that there is solid evidence that Sergeant Bergdahl, then a private, intended to permanently desert.

    Whether Sergeant Bergdahl was a deserter who never intended to come back, or simply slipped away for a short adventure amid an environment of lax security and discipline and was then captured, is one of many unanswered questions about his disappearance.

    The issue is murky, the report said, in light of Sergeant Bergdahl’s previous episodes of walking off. The report cites accounts from his unit mates that in their predeployment exercise at the Army’s National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Calif., he sneaked or crawled off a designated course or range either to see how far he could go or to see a sunrise or sunset. — "Bergdahl Is Said to Have History of Leaving Post," NYT, June 5, 2014

    That AP report based on information from an anonymous source. It states explicitly that Bergdahl was not even accused of desertion. Others here have pointed that out, but you don't seem to take notice.

    The Pentagon's official position is clear: no conclusions regarding Bergdahl's actions should be made before a thorough investigation can be completed. "Army will conduct 'comprehensive' review of Bergdahl disappearance, captivity," Stars and Stripes, June 3, 2014.

    >>After you get thru all I have in these let me know

    I'm not going to read yer input to any other threads on this topic. Yer posts here have convinced it would be a waste of my time. If you have something worth listening to, you should be able to state it briefly.

    >>then discover how much I Know about this issue

    Like I say, I don't think you have the first clue.


    Well once you get done checking those other threads out.....then get back with me. Until then you aint talkin about nothing around here Nube.

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well once you get done checking those other threads out then get back with me.
    Not gonna happen. I'm confident it's all just more regurgitated claptrap. You don't answer the questions I've put to you, and I'm sure that's because you don't have anything to say.

    >>Until then you aint talkin about nothing around here Nube.

    As I see things, I've already contributed more to this discussion than you have or, more to the point, are even capable of.

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Not gonna happen. I'm confident it's all just more regurgitated claptrap. You don't answer the questions I've put to you, and I'm sure that's because you don't have anything to say.

    >>Until then you aint talkin about nothing around here Nube.

    As I see things, I've already contributed more to this discussion than you have or, more to the point, are even capable of.

    Thats due to you not knowing the Taliban are listed as Non-combatants and that's by our ownselves. As well as being listed down as Terrorists. All the rest of that confusion and deflections you threw up doesn't mean much. Try sticking to one issue at a time. It will help you out going forward.

    Even Basic Wiki can help you out with the discovery.


    Oh and You haven't.....and you really don't have much credibility around here so that pretty much ends that until you can.....like build some up. Just sayin!

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Thats due to you not knowing the Taliban are listed as Non-combatants and that's by our ownselves.
    I've already noted that you must mean "unlawful" or "illegal" combatants. "Non-combatants" are innocent civilians, typically women and children.

    >>you really don't have much credibility around here so that pretty much ends that until you can.....like build some up

    So you think that thousands of posts gives you credibility? I'd say content would be a better focus for judging that quality.

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    I've already noted that you must mean "unlawful" or "illegal" combatants. "Non-combatants" are innocent civilians, typically women and children.

    >>you really don't have much credibility around here so that pretty much ends that until you can.....like build some up

    So you think that thousands of posts gives you credibility? I'd say content would be a better focus for judging that quality.
    Their considered Terrorists and they are on the National Counter Terrorism Agency's List.

    Well that's what all those threads are about.....and what I have in them. Eventually you will learn about who and who doesn't put content up around here.

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    Re: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal[W:30]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    SHOCKER!!! Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal - Kendall Breitman - POLITICO.com

    Charles Krauthammer says he supports President Barack Obama’s deal to bring Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl home.
    “Had the choice been mine I would have made the same choice,” Krauthammer told Fox News’ “Special Report” on Wednesday. “It’s a difficult decision, and I would not attack those who have done otherwise.”




    Read more: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal - Kendall Breitman - POLITICO.com
    Krauthammer said those in the West “put a value on the individual human life the way that the ones at the other end of the table don’t,” specifically citing an example in which Israelis had to release 1,000 terrorists in exchange for one sergeant who had been taken captive.

    Read more: Charles Krauthammer backs Bowe Bergdahl deal - Kendall Breitman - POLITICO.com
    we value life, they(the taliban)DO NOT!!

    charles has it right.
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