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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Breaking news over the Radio WBBM FM CBS radio 870AM.....Dick Durbin says they had to do this to save Bergdahl due to his health.

    Can someone call Dick and let him know fast forward to June 4th 2014.
    I watched the video of the exchange and Bergdahl looked pretty healthy to me. I suppose the Taliban don't have Obamacare, yet.

    The Taliban even told Berdahl to hurry back to Afghanistan.

    Of the three Americans who exited the Army UH-60, all dressed in civvies, two looked military or CIA. But the short guy looked really dorky looking and not so healthy looking. Had to be an Obama State Department official. He even had to be helped back on the helicopter.

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you attempting to make a comparison between Obama and Nero? If so I agree with you.

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

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    I watched the video of the exchange and Bergdahl looked pretty healthy to me. I suppose the Taliban don't have Obamacare, yet.

    The Taliban even told Berdahl to hurry back to Afghanistan.

    Of the three Americans who exited the Army UH-60, all dressed in civvies, two looked military or CIA. But the short guy looked really dorky looking and not so healthy looking. Had to be an Obama State Department official. He even had to be helped back on the helicopter.

    The Hospital in Germany stated he was in good health considering the circumstances.....no reports of anything life threatening. But don't forget two years ago, Team BO was saying his health was changing. After Gates reported that Apparently the Taliban were taking care of him.

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A total of 2 presidents have been impeached in our 200+ year history. The odds are forever in my favor. This is how it will go down:

    Republicans will make noise. Republicans won't grow the balls to do anything about it. Obama will end his presidency in 2016, and Republicans will find something else to complain when the next POTUS is a Democrat. End of story.
    But no one is talking impeachment in Congress at this time. However, if future discoveries unfold that neither the right or the left can in all honesty justify that could change. Quite frankly, previous scandals this administration has found itself embroiled in has found bi-partisan support in pursuing the truth contrary to some like yourself who think all are witch hunts directed at Obama by the rightwing. It may be only a handful of Democrats but nevertheless it has been bi-partisan on many issues. Not every Democrat comes from the San Francisco Bay area, Chicago or the nanny state of NYC. If our laws don't mean anything and a sitting president can take it upon himself to bend or change the rules we have a serious problem. Why have a legislative branch at all if a president can make his own rules. Why have a judiciary branch if the executive can dictate what laws will be followed and what laws will not? Obama broke the law, he knows it or he wouldn't be apologizing for it. Sometimes apologies are just not enough.

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Thing that kills me.....is they will always throw Gadhafi name or Saddam's up over how Bad they were. Yet these guys make them look like beginners.


    And in Kabul Monday, the Afghan Foreign Ministry called the swap "against the norms of international law" if it came against the five imprisoned Taliban detainees' will. The ministry said: "No state can transfer another country's citizen to a third country and put restriction on their freedom."

    The five detainees left Guantanamo aboard a U.S. military aircraft flying to Qatar, which served as go-between in the negotiations. They are to be banned from leaving Qatar for at least a year. Among the five: a Taliban deputy intelligence minister, a former Taliban interior minister with ties to the late al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and a figure linked by human rights monitors to mass killings of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001.....snip~

    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away
    You know what is really strange about all of this, the White House never seen the storm rising from the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders. They thought it would be all hugs and kisses. One has to wonder if anyone ever told the president that Bergdahl deserted his post. Yet one has to assume the president knew something was wrong or they would have notified the present Afghan government, perhaps those countries of NATO that has troops in Afghanistan, certainly certain congressional committee heads.

    Another thing I wonder about, the president could have made this deal two years ago, the same deal. I assume it was always on the table as far as the Taliban was concerned for the entire two year period, from then till now. Why now when you turned it down two years ago? So many unanswered questions. There has to be something else brewing, or afoot as they say. This whole thing has me flummox.
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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You know what is really strange about all of this, the White House never seen the storm rising from the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders. They thought it would be all hugs and kisses. One has to wonder if anyone ever told the president that Bergdahl deserted his post. Yet one has to assume the president knew something was wrong or they would have notified the present Afghan government, perhaps those countries of NATO that has troops in Afghanistan, certainly certain congressional committee heads.

    Another thing I wonder about, the president could have made this deal two years ago, the same deal. I assume it was always on the table as far as the Taliban was concerned for the entire two year period, from then till now. Why now when you turned it down two years ago? So many unanswered questions. There has to be something else brewing, or afoot as they say. This whole thing has me flummox.

    His excuse is they didn't want to tell Karzai. But Karzai is no longer the President of Afghanistan. Also the New President said he would sign BO's Agreement to keep the 9800 hundred there. As soon as he did.....the Taliban told us to take ALL of our people out also said they would stop the Election. But didn't.

    So why is BO negotiating with terrorists again?

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You know what is really strange about all of this, the White House never seen the storm rising from the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders. They thought it would be all hugs and kisses. One has to wonder if anyone ever told the president that Bergdahl deserted his post. Yet one has to assume the president knew something was wrong or they would have notified the present Afghan government, perhaps those countries of NATO that has troops in Afghanistan, certainly certain congressional committee heads.

    Another thing I wonder about, the president could have made this deal two years ago, the same deal. I assume it was always on the table as far as the Taliban was concerned for the entire two year period, from then till now. Why now when you turned it down two years ago? So many unanswered questions. There has to be something else brewing, or afoot as they say. This whole thing has me flummox.
    Wasn't this same deal 2 years ago turned down more by Congress than BO? If so then the most likely reason for going it on his own in spite of being illegal was that he knew that the deal would not pass now.

    What I don't get is why this was so important to BO.

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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, I have a couple of questions. 1) Will the men who came forward, in spite of signing a Non-Disclosure document, be in some kind of trouble for doing so? It would be vey unfair to expect them to remain silent when they know the truth is not being told. 2) most people agree that promoting a suspected deserter does not make sense - is promoting people based on time in service and nothing else? 3) why was his file marked "classified? Is this routine when someone is AWOL?

    There are a lot of strange things going on here, and this all seems to have happened in the past six years since Obama has been POTUS. Could this tie in with the "Arab Spring" movement in the ME? Was Bergdahl thinking he could help somehow? There is more to this than we are being told - and I guess we'll have to wait to find out. In the meantime, he'll be with his family in the US, so that much is good. He can't be blamed for the terms of the swap.
    I do not know Pol, they could be but probably not after Bergdahl was released. It all depends on the wording of the nondisclosure documents. As for the promotions, it may be the army’s policy to promote POW’s automatically, I do not know the answer to that. But usually one has to go before a board, be recommended, plus a few other things. As far as his file being classified, the military or the army in this case didn’t want the public to know what is in it, you probably can include the news organizations and of course those who had him. No it is not routine. Most personal files are marked FOUO or whatever they call it these days, that is for official use only. Another protective marking is sensitive but unclassified which might be what I was thinking about. There is also a restricted file in ones 201 or military records. Where only certain people are authorized to view that portion. There can be classified 201 files and unclas 201 files or portions. It all depends on what the soldier was involved in. But in Bergdahl's case, it is my understanding he wasn't involved in anything that would warrant the classification of his 201 file. So not wanting the media, the public, his captures etc. is probably why it was.

    Yes, like you I agree there has to be a whole lot more we aren’t being told about this. So much of it makes no sense unless his release and swap is a small step in something much larger that we do not know anything about yet. There are tons of things it could be, yet they are all pure speculation and as such isn’t worth much.
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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    His excuse is they didn't want to tell Karzai. But Karzai is no longer the President of Afghanistan. Also the New President said he would sign BO's Agreement to keep the 9800 hundred there. As soon as he did.....the Taliban told us to take ALL of our people out also said they would stop the Election. But didn't.

    So why is BO negotiating with terrorists again?
    I don't know, only the president knows that answer.
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    Re: White House apologizes to lawmakers over secret POW Swap.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Wasn't this same deal 2 years ago turned down more by Congress than BO? If so then the most likely reason for going it on his own in spite of being illegal was that he knew that the deal would not pass now.

    What I don't get is why this was so important to BO.
    From what I read about it, it was then Defense Secretary Panetta that nixed the deal back then. I suppose with the president's approval or non-approval of it. As to why it is so important to the president, I don't get it either. That is unless this is the first step in something else that is going on between the president and the Taliban.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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