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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

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    It isn't the least bit 'murky.' You disobey the law, you face the music whether the law is legal or not. Only Obama won't face the music because people are going to walk on eggshells until he is out of office.

    The President may well have a legal obligation to not enforce laws that he deems unconstitutional. Obama's predecessor pretty vocally disregarded laws he felt were unconstitutional.

    You might find this an interesting read on the subject http://georgetownlawjournal.org/file...-5/Prakash.PDF..


    And lets get real here. There's a notification requirement. Congress doesn't have to sign off on the prisoner exchange. We've been doing prisoner exchanges with the enemy since the Revolutionary War. If Obama violated the law - and if the law is Constitutional - he's guilty of a parking offense nothing more.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The President may well have a legal obligation to not enforce laws that he deems unconstitutional. Obama's predecessor pretty vocally disregarded laws he felt were unconstitutional.

    You might find this an interesting read on the subject http://georgetownlawjournal.org/file...-5/Prakash.PDF..


    And lets get real here. There's a notification requirement. Congress doesn't have to sign off on the prisoner exchange. We've been doing prisoner exchanges with the enemy since the Revolutionary War. If Obama violated the law - and if the law is Constitutional - he's guilty of a parking offense nothing more.
    A president has the power to sign a bill into law or veto it. If he found something unconstitutional about the bill at the time, he had every right to veto it. However, he does not have the right to cherry pick what laws he will follow and what laws he won't once they become law.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A president has the power to sign a bill into law or veto it. If he found something unconstitutional about the bill at the time, he had every right to veto it.
    Yes, but as executor of law, he has the option to implement parts at his discretion. Especially if he points out in a signing statement what he opposes.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Guess we wait till after the 2014 election then, the dems will lose the senate come 2014
    I think it still takes 67 senate votes to impeach a president. Even if republicans control the senate after 2014, you will still need 15+ senate democrats to go along with them and that is just not going to happen. Obama will be out in January 2017. We are stuck with him til then. Unfortunately.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A president has the power to sign a bill into law or veto it. If he found something unconstitutional about the bill at the time, he had every right to veto it.
    The problem is that if a bill is vetoed because one portion is believed to be unconstitutional means vetoing perhaps hundreds of other parts of the bill that the President believes to be Constitutional. Every President since Carter has pointed out (often through signing statements) portions of bills they signed but disagreed with on Constitutional grounds and would not enforce. Bush 43 did that something like 160 times, about twice the average of his peers.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I think it still takes 67 senate votes to impeach a president. Even if republicans control the senate after 2014, you will still need 15+ senate democrats to go along with them and that is just not going to happen. Obama will be out in January 2017. We are stuck with him til then. Unfortunately.
    he will never leave office, willingly. I see martial law before that ever happens.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I think it still takes 67 senate votes to impeach a president. Even if republicans control the senate after 2014, you will still need 15+ senate democrats to go along with them and that is just not going to happen. Obama will be out in January 2017. We are stuck with him til then. Unfortunately.
    Unless Biden resigns first, I think I will choose to keep the lesser of two evils. Should Biden resign, and we impeach Obama, then we would have a president Boehner. Not much of an upgrade, many would say worse yet, but better than either of the other two in my opinion.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

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    he will never leave office, willingly. I see martial law before that ever happens.


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