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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Obama is NOT going to be impeached. People have been wishing and waiting for that since he was elected the first time. He is in for the duration, and we will just have to hope that we get someone better next time around, but I wouldn't be holding my breath on that. We're stuck with him, like it or not.
    agreed.

    in very practical terms, we have already proven that impeachment is an exercise in politics, certainly not one of legality of actions.
    doing something illegal really has no bearing on impeachment... party affiliation is the only thing that matters

    once upon a time I believed impeachment was a sort of remedy to high crimes and misdemeanors or at least an avenue to hold an official accountable... but I was wrong... very wrong.

    it won't matter if what Obama did was illegal or not ( and i'm not arguing legality of his actions either way)... he'll be around until the end of his term regardless.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Because he's not a deserter - yet. He's simply AWOL. To be guilty of desertion he has to have intended to be away from his post permanently, which I don't think they can ascertain without actually talking to him. It also requires a court martial.
    Deserter...AWOL...one's a lesser degree of the other. Neither warrants promoting a soldier while he's away from his post during an unauthorized absence.
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    Kings, tyrants and those who really don't care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    That would probably violate the Geneva Conventions as well as U.S. law.
    Really. Can you point to the American laws that might apply?

    And can you equally point to that portion of the Geneva Convention rules of law that apply?

    Why did you lighten the text of my response in the manner that you did? You've effectively taken my first and third paragraphs out of context.
    Until I reached the end I was going down a different path. It really doesn't matter.

    "I guess my bottom line is that I really don't care whether they're soldiers as the word is defined by the Geneva conventions..."

    And it doesn't matter to me whether Bergdahl is ultimately a deserter or not."

    You don't care and it does not matter. Obama could have spoken those same words as he broke the law. Obama thinks he is our King. In reality he is a tyrant. And you?

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    agreed.

    in very practical terms, we have already proven that impeachment is an exercise in politics, certainly not one of legality of actions.
    doing something illegal really has no bearing on impeachment... party affiliation is the only thing that matters

    once upon a time I believed impeachment was a sort of remedy to high crimes and misdemeanors or at least an avenue to hold an official accountable... but I was wrong... very wrong.

    it won't matter if what Obama did was illegal or not ( and i'm not arguing legality of his actions either way)... he'll be around until the end of his term regardless.
    If that is so then the nation has already ended.

    If you haven't already done so it is time to arm up.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If that is so then the nation has already ended.

    If you haven't already done so it is time to arm up.
    this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone... the entire nation witnessed a President clearly break the law and have his party vote not to hold him accountable....
    the same party who holds the White house and Senate today.

    this is old news.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    agreed.

    in very practical terms, we have already proven that impeachment is an exercise in politics, certainly not one of legality of actions.
    doing something illegal really has no bearing on impeachment... party affiliation is the only thing that matters

    once upon a time I believed impeachment was a sort of remedy to high crimes and misdemeanors or at least an avenue to hold an official accountable... but I was wrong... very wrong.

    it won't matter if what Obama did was illegal or not ( and i'm not arguing legality of his actions either way)... he'll be around until the end of his term regardless.
    I hate your cynicism...but I share it. Mostly.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Deserter...AWOL...one's a lesser degree of the other. Neither warrants promoting a soldier while he's away from his post during an unauthorized absence.
    if the servicemember is recognized as a prisoner of war, there will be no holds placed on promotions that arise through TIR/TIS... if he is not officially charged with a crime under the UCMJ, they can't withhold promotion.

    if an investigation warrants a court martial.. and they convict him of desertion... don't sweat it.. he'll be demoted retroactively and most of his money will be taken... he'll also serve a lengthy sentence.
    if convicted, he's also eligible for he death penalty, but that probably won't happen.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I hate your cynicism...but I share it. Mostly.
    I hate my cynicism too, and that my cynicism reflects our political reality... it sure would be nice if it wasn't true.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone... the entire nation witnessed a President clearly break the law and have his party vote not to hold him accountable....
    the same party who holds the White house and Senate today.

    this is old news.
    Then let the revolution begin.

    Or join me in getting the state legislatures to tell Congress to set the date for a convention of states to propose amendments to the Constitution. We need a reset. Revolutions usually end poorly.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Because he's not a deserter - yet. He's simply AWOL. To be guilty of desertion he has to have intended to be away from his post permanently, which I don't think they can ascertain without actually talking to him. It also requires a court martial.
    Deserter...AWOL...one's a lesser degree of the other. Neither warrants promoting a soldier while he's away from his post during an unauthorized absence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Agreed.

    In very practical terms, we have already proven that impeachment is an exercise in politics, certainly not one of legality of actions. Doing something illegal really has no bearing on impeachment... party affiliation is the only thing that matters.

    Once upon a time I believed impeachment was a sort of remedy to high crimes and misdemeanors or at least an avenue to hold an official accountable... but I was wrong... very wrong.

    It won't matter if what Obama did was illegal or not ( and i'm not arguing legality of his actions either way)... he'll be around until the end of his term regardless.
    I still believe in the impeachment process as outlined in the Constitution. However, I just don't believe Pres. Obama has committed an impeachable offense during his presidency. Let's look at the facts:

    - Libyian invasion. Remained within the limits of the War Powers Act. May have gone to the limits of certain reporting procedures within the law, but he never failed to comply with framework of the law or its intent.

    - Fast & Furious. A reconstituted program from the prior administration. No proof of a cover-up by the Obama Administration over the death of a DEA Agent was ever uncovered.

    - IRS. Nothing to prove the WH directed IRA agents to "hold/delay" processing of Conservative non-profit applications.

    - Benghazi attack. Other than "sleeping on the job" or changing talking points, nothing criminal about delegating lower level Administrative department heads to do their jobs.

    - Executive Orders. Nothing illegal about issuing them as long as the directive is specific to certain provisions of the law as such applies to a specific Cabinet Office.

    Even this Gitmo issue is a "Catch-22" because although the President may have violated a provision of a law (not even sure which one was violated in this case...would have to do some research), who would actually take him to task for doing whatever he could to bring home one of our men and women in uniform? You can argue that he "negotiated with terrorist" all you want. You can argue that the POW whose release he negotiated for has a questionable military record. But in the end no one who calls themselves a patriots would agree to the alternative: leave one of our own behind indefinitely in the hands of the enemy. I certainly don't like the 5:1 deal that was made, but in the grand scheme of things I seriously doubt that anyone would agree to do nothing.
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