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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Then perhaps you should try constitutional conservatives. We don't like establishment republicans nor statist democrats either.


    Maybe so but it has not prevented you from being wrong.


    Actually not.


    Whether they kill soldiers or murder other innocent people is not relevant. They have murdered innocent people in the past and they will murder innocent people in the future.

    So Obama, in addition to giving aid and comfort to our enemy in war time is also an accomplice to all of their future murders. So Obama must be impeached, arrested, tried and executed for his crimes.

    Thanks for the pointer. I'm your basic small government libertarian. Don't tax me to death and leave me the f alone to live my life as I see fit. I'd also like my small government to actually stick to a strict reading of the Constitution but that seems to be too much to ask for.


    Actually not? No one recognized the Confederacy as a legal government. The Brits and French recognized them as belligerants which I suppose meant they thought the south was fighting a legal war but that was as far as they went. The secession was extra-Constitutional and thus completely illegal.

    Interesting that you keep calling it war time. Who are we at war with? And if we're not at war why are the bad guys subject to military and not civilian justice?
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Thanks for the pointer. I'm your basic small government libertarian. Don't tax me to death and leave me the f alone to live my life as I see fit. I'd also like my small government to actually stick to a strict reading of the Constitution but that seems to be too much to ask for.
    Then we have something in common.

    Actually not? No one recognized the Confederacy as a legal government. The Brits and French recognized them as belligerants which I suppose meant they thought the south was fighting a legal war but that was as far as they went. The secession was extra-Constitutional and thus completely illegal.
    I cannot tell you what the law of land warfare was during the Civil war. The ones captured in uniform were generally treated as prisoners of war and released after the confederacy was defeated.

    Interesting that you keep calling it war time. Who are we at war with? And if we're not at war why are the bad guys subject to military and not civilian justice?
    In Afghanistan? The Taliban, other insurgents...
    Why one and not the other? Islamofascists have waged war against the west for a long time. So war just seems more appropriate.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't hear the rightists quoting Krauthammer on this one.
    Nor the usual Hyper-partisan Rep. Labrador, whose congressional district Bergdahl lives in .
    Although I like some of the views Charles holds he does not speak for the Right. He speaks for himself.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Although I like some of the views Charles holds he does not speak for the Right. He speaks for himself.
    Which could be said for Firearm Feinstein and her saying the President's actions were illegal.

    I wonder if you guys who think they speak for the rightists will be saying "guilty until proven innocent"
    the next time DEMs do this when you're President.

    Charles certainly speaks more for the right than most rightists on dp do .
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    We have been hearing that he is going to be impeached for what, the last 4 years or more? Don't think it will happen but I wont lose any sleep if it does. It seems like this is biting them in the ass a little and thats probably all that will be done about it.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by mperry View Post
    We have been hearing that he is going to be impeached for what, the last 4 years or more? Don't think it will happen but I wont lose any sleep if it does. It seems like this is biting them in the ass a little and thats probably all that will be done about it.
    Biden would be the incumbent president.

    Not very wise to impeach him.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Then we have something in common.


    I cannot tell you what the law of land warfare was during the Civil war. The ones captured in uniform were generally treated as prisoners of war and released after the confederacy was defeated.


    In Afghanistan? The Taliban, other insurgents...
    Why one and not the other? Islamofascists have waged war against the west for a long time. So war just seems more appropriate.
    I guess my bottom line is that I really don't care whether they're soldiers as the word is defined by the Geneva conventions or civilians. The distinction doesn't matter in the real world. We had some of them in captivity and let them go to get one of our guys back. Yes they might go back into conflict with our people and might kill some of them but that's always been true of prisoner exchanges. To criticize this exchange on that point and not others we've done is dishonest to me because the risk of our guys getting killed by released prisoners has always been there. Dead is dead whether the other guy wears a uniform or not.

    And it doesn't matter to me whether Bergdahl is ultimately a deserter or not. If he's not we got back one of our own. If he's eventually found guilty he deserves to be face the music here, under our military justice system.

    Finally I have some real problems with the whole illegal combatant notion. Illegal combatants are supposed to be handled by the civilian justice system - yet we treat them like POWs and put them in a military prison. We're having our cake and eating it too and while that might feel nice it's pretty transparently two faced to the rest of the world and has done our reputation a lot of damage for no good reason.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Earlier I wrote, "Although I like some of the views Charles holds he does not speak for the Right. He speaks for himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which could be said for Firearm Feinstein and her saying the President's actions were illegal.
    Senate Intelligence Committee head says the Prez broke a law he signed. I understand your reticence, after all a leading Democrat says a Democrat president broke the law. No doubt she is (whisper) racist.

    I wonder if you guys who think they speak for the rightists will be saying "guilty until proven innocent"
    the next time DEMs do this when you're President.
    No. You don't wonder. But I get ahead of myself. I stumbled over your poorly worded sentence. "I wonder if you guys who thing they speak..." you...they? You're president.

    I have no plans to be President. If nominated I shall not run. If elected...sure I will serve.

    Charles certainly speaks more for the right than most rightists on dp do .
    He is a smart guy but he is not a Conservative. He misses things that a Conservative would not miss.

    Link to what Krauthammer said that you agree with. Then let's talk about whether or not he has an opinion or a point.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I guess my bottom line is that I really don't care whether they're soldiers as the word is defined by the Geneva conventions or civilians. The distinction doesn't matter in the real world. We had some of them in captivity and let them go to get one of our guys back. Yes they might go back into conflict with our people and might kill some of them but that's always been true of prisoner exchanges. To criticize this exchange on that point and not others we've done is dishonest to me because the risk of our guys getting killed by released prisoners has always been there. Dead is dead whether the other guy wears a uniform or not.

    And it doesn't matter to me whether Bergdahl is ultimately a deserter or not. If he's not we got back one of our own. If he's eventually found guilty he deserves to be face the music here, under our military justice system.

    Finally I have some real problems with the whole illegal combatant notion. Illegal combatants are supposed to be handled by the civilian justice system - yet we treat them like POWs and put them in a military prison. We're having our cake and eating it too and while that might feel nice it's pretty transparently two faced to the rest of the world and has done our reputation a lot of damage for no good reason.
    Unlawful combatants should be tried by a militarry tribunal. If found guilty they should be executed.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Unlawful combatants should be tried by a militarry tribunal. If found guilty they should be executed.
    That would probably violate the Geneva Conventions as well as U.S. law.

    Why did you lighten the text of my response in the manner that you did? You've effectively taken my first and third paragraphs out of context.
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