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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It seems Conservatives weren't up in arms against in the early 2000s.

    Signing statement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Scalia's take on the matter:



    Here is what Democrats tried to do on the matter as far back as 2006:

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3731
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s1747
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s875

    3 bills trying to stop the president from leading through signing statements and NONE were backed by Republicans. Now they're all up in arms against them? Hahahaha.

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    As I said, **** the faux outrage Republicans on this nonsense. You liked it in 2006? Tough nut today.
    Well, you see? I don't give a flying fig what the far right said or did or changed their position to when it was no longer convenient. To me, it's no different than the left on such issues; whatever supports "our" guy in office is what we believe on this particular day. I've been against signing statements from as far back as Reagan (When Carter was in the WH I was too busy chasing tale and other lofty aims). Right after Reagan was elected I went to Basic Training and I was old enough to be politically aware. Even as a registered Republican, I was against all singing statements from Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. I was no less against them when it was a Democrat in the White House. I learned in the military and in college that we are a people of laws. And the law, and especially our Constitution are all that protect the common man. And, boy am I common. I didn't agree with being sent around the world to do Reagan's biding. Not because I disagreed with the missions, I didn't. I disagreed with Congress not being in power over the military in funding missions and exercising their sole power to declare war. Like I said, I agreed with Grenada, my first mission under fire. And all the subsequent ones, even those in Central and South America, Africa and few that I don't think are public yet. But I still didn't approve of Congress not being the branch authorizing the missions. I disagree with the War Powers Act in that I feel Congress abrogated their duty and ceded their responsibility to the President for political cover.

    So in summary, it really doesn't matter to me that you find it ironic and laughable that the right is hypocritical on this, because in all honesty, so is the left and I find them both ironic and laughable.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I dislike this president with a passion.
    It is the presidency I an standing up for, not him.
    I truly believe we cannot make it precedent that congress can dictate executive branch function.
    I get that.
    I have enjoyed you taking apart all of their positions .
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Tell that to the House with their poison pills and legislative riders on their so-called "200" bills sitting in Harry reid's circular file.
    Practice what one preaches votemout .
    You still think im a GOP huh? LOL

    LAST TIME the one party system of repukelicrats need to be VOTEDOUT. see VOTEMOUT VOTEDOUT. are you understanding now?

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Name for me the Republican Senator who will not vote for impeachment.
    In fact, name one.
    Think we need another "select" committee that will go through the 2014 election cycle ?
    I don't believe anyone will vote for impeachment. Everyone just wants this 8 years to end without any of what would follow if they tried to reign him in.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It seems Conservatives weren't up in arms against in the early 2000s.

    Signing statement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Scalia's take on the matter:



    Here is what Democrats tried to do on the matter as far back as 2006:

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3731
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s1747
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s875

    3 bills trying to stop the president from leading through signing statements and NONE were backed by Republicans. Now they're all up in arms against them? Hahahaha.

    GOP Media:

    You Can't Trust Big Government? - The Rush Limbaugh Show





    As I said, **** the faux outrage Republicans on this nonsense. You liked it in 2006? Tough nut today.

    Republicans? Well FYI I was a Democrat when this president came to office. His socialist agenda was clear from the start and after a couple of years, I decided that could no longer stomach the party that would parade such an inexperienced piece of crap out to be president. He has no executive experience, and if he has a law degree, it doesn't show. He is nothing but a partier. I'll be glad when he's gone. But I wouldn't support a race war to get him out 2 years earlier than he will be anyway.
    Redneck, hillbilly, fundie, Bible thumper, cracker, split tails, geezer, loon, xenophobe, islamaphobe, and homophobe are not words of tolerance.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    I assume he won't be impeached for this...but I am guessing the Obama administration thought this would be a no-brainer, vote grabber but now might be having some second thoughts about the whole thing.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A president has the power to sign a bill into law or veto it. If he found something unconstitutional about the bill at the time, he had every right to veto it. However, he does not have the right to cherry pick what laws he will follow and what laws he won't once they become law.
    Agreed. The president is the "executive branch" not the judicial branch. If he feels a law is unconstitutional, he can forward his alleged case to the judicial branch (US Supreme Court). He cannot cherry pick which laws he chooses to enforce.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    There is a strong case to be made for the fact that the President has a constitutional duty - via his oath to preserve and defend the Constitution - to not enforce laws he believes to be unconstitutional. It's murky to be sure but Obama wouldn't be the first president to do so.
    Or, is he derelict in his duty to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution by signing a law he believes is unconstitutional?

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The problem is that if a bill is vetoed because one portion is believed to be unconstitutional means vetoing perhaps hundreds of other parts of the bill that the President believes to be Constitutional. Every President since Carter has pointed out (often through signing statements) portions of bills they signed but disagreed with on Constitutional grounds and would not enforce. Bush 43 did that something like 160 times, about twice the average of his peers.
    No, Bill Clinton issued more than twice the amount of signing statements than Bush 43, although Bush's statements affected more than 1000 provisions of law, because he used multiple objections.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    He will not be impeached. No one is willing to deal with the fallout that would occur if he was. We are all going to just keep walking on eggshells until he is out of office, and then try to repair the damage he has done to this country.
    If he is not impeached by the House then the damage will be permanent. Belize is looking better every day.

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